Alien Anomalies

Macten .. hello. 

-Mars is half earth's size .. should the distance/horizon/curvature-line then require some adjustments or be a factor in our estimations ... just a thought.

-again, is the 'lens' or pic obtained equatable, or is, plus or minus, to a human-eye/perception of the ' data '?? For example, in a movie or TV pic of people, buildings, vehicles, scenes and horizons are never, or seldom I guess, as would appear if you were standing and looking at the same scene in person?

It would seem the approaches used, and results obtained, are both pivotal on a reasonably good or thought out approach. I don't agree, or unnessarily dispute some of these official 'findings', but it seems I always read it as 'a fact' .. without any referrences .. so have the perogative and incentive to reconsider and question these somewhat ( with some amazing backlash and echo's 'how dare you' lingering in the air).

A few items of relevance/referrence .. you might find time to explore here. Before IR/Radar/Lazer,etc., in WW I/II there were 'RangeFinders'. The Germans had some that were truly electro/mechanical/optical(Zeiss) wonders of engineering. Also, try a peek at 'distance/measurements-calculations' .. which is somewhat into the math stuff though, and may not be within your time schedule ?

My calculations, rough as they may seem, were base upon the soldier (6ft.) on a ramp or stairway just above the Pharoah Statue, and additionally now, the human-figures found at the base of the cliff. The rough graph/diagram I presented I am shure you are well aware of.

It seems we are trying to figure a ' distance/height, etc.' from a 2-dimensional base ( pic ), which should, properly I suppose, be a 3-dimensional equation. Now the question is ... is there a potential extrapolation or methodolgy to do this? If we can rationalize, and simplify some ' factor ' .. I believe there is good odds ( -and that's where the odd get even/ha )  the ' problem ' can be resolved within acceptable tolerances.

It may be, that in your exampled ' 15 ft.(house) at xxx(ft./mtrs.) can be juxtapositioned or shifted along an equally known setting and position, as the cliff, and, after some ratio adjustments, we may arrive at a reasonably accurate ( 1 pixel = 1 ft. in example ) figure for true height? . Might search for or need a computer program with a recticule gradation with an absolute/ variable-zoom accounting for results? As well, one to refocus/adjust for various lens types, etc.? By side by side matching with basic zoom in/out adjustments to arrive at some, tenable, say the mentioned 1 pix = 1 ft. ratio/1:1.? Just some thoughts you may like to pick over .. or not.

I pursue this for 2 basic reasons Mac. One, by somehow or way, we are getting a handle on this particular spot/site, we may indeed be onto a 'system' or process whereby it may indeed readily take and be applicable to most other sites and views ... thus an accurate, or more accurate interpretation thereof. This is worth working on and would be a signficant breakthrough in aiding our research. Secondly, and more important, to me, I wrote some time ago, that I percieved your qualities of astuteness and determination evidenced .. and because of this would gladly be of any assistance I could. We can all bring our best thoughts and training to focus on the ' problem/s ' we encounter in our studies here, and need stand shoulder to shoulder when encountering downright opposition and attempts to discourage further investigation.

I know we're not all MIT grads with a stack of degrees ... and if not we shoud keep our mouths shut, stand-down, and docily accept our humble place. But I don't think so, and am entitled to say what I feel may be of some merit too. Ok Mac, that's about it for now, am sorry for the delay in posting, as well for rambling on a bit to much. Will be briefer next posting. And you know .. I believe your insights and developed approaches are competent, reliable, and ... executeable, and may yet turn the tide in this perplexing Cliff-Height problem after all.    / -M                                                      

-try techinst.com

-by the way .. got a pic through last night (?? )! /

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-this is on level ground or from a raised elevation ?

-what are the specs to determine verticle along this line of sight ?

-it is approximately of human-height, but is it equatable to human-eye ' sight ' ( lens size, FL/configuration, etc.)

-when ' returned ' ... what 'processing ' has occurred before this ( as ' data ' ) has a ' public release '.

-some few of many unknowns Mac, but a competent piece of research nonetheless .. good work on 'to be continued..'/ -M

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still trying to get this stupid pic-posting solved .. anyways   .

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still trying

Macten ... thanks for answering ... I don't even know what a ' browser ' is ' pop-up'windows? I will find someone to walk me through this idiocy ... but it may be a mini-program has been installed that blocks any posting .. it has already occured when trying to post on MarsAnomalies .. MarsRock's place .. so I am denied access there .. please keep in touch as there's bound to be some answer/s or way out of this perplexing dillemna?? thanks/ -M

I see ... and understand 250+ members . I guess you wouldn't even give me the time of day .. thanks anyway./M

So after all this discussion is there a consensus on how high the cliff is? Morbis says 100, The Watcher says 20 and Marsrocks states 50. I ran across this type of conjecture in another thread recently and it remains unanswered also.  There must be some way, some formula by pixel size or something to tell.  Any ideas anyone?

And to the Watcher I say stop the holier than thou attitude , I can understand Icemans intent just fine.

Thanks so much Xenon , from you that is an encouraging reply and appreciated. Of a certainty we will speak again of many things. Cheers/ -Morbius

Morbius thank you for your frankness, observations and compliments, I welcome everyone who wants to take part on AA, it makes no difference what members backgrounds are, or what gender, race, age, or circumstances are, if a person can see the anomalies for what they are (whether real or processing artefacts or fakes) and is able to debate them openly (and freely) then Alien anomalies is a success, AA was not set up to be in competition with other sites, it was opened up for individuals to express opinions in a free and safe environment, over the years some members have come and gone who have either got the answers they wanted or stayed with us to share some more, some even went on to start up their own anomaly sites or chanels, and others whose job it is to destroy the community have faded away because at the end of the day our evidence and the way it is presented counteracts all of their arguments.

My dream is for all anomalous sites to become united as one voice, but in order to achieve this goal everyone has to place all differences and prejudice aside in order to be heard, there are people (Excluding J P Skipper) who make a fortune off the backs of other peoples discoveries  but have no intention of exposing the real truth of our findings, they lead people on an adventure that ends with nothing, no blame, no, consequence, no explanation, no disclosure, and yet people still buy their books and look to these people as examples of what the cause is about.

No one said our journey would be an easy one, AA has some of the greatest researchers I have ever known, all have skills and gifts different to one and other, you all come from different locations across the globe, and all are united as a community in the call for the truth based on the evidence you have discovered.

Morbius, it makes no difference to me what education, or qualification a person has, because real knowledge and understanding comes from experiences we learn in life not from the  certificates that states so, and from where I am sitting you and our other members are much more intelligent than those with the power to censure the truth.

Remember no one has to be alone at this site my email and PM are always open to members and visitors even if its just to talk about the weather

Xenon et al . You have an old-fashioned way of posting ... which I enjoy. Few here remember the glamor, etiquette , elegance and eloquence of the 30's and 40's .. save perhaps as portraid in the old B & W films of those days. Each day, fewer and fewer of the Old Guard are left to pass on the insights and standards from this seemingly lost world. Time is passing and there is a new order appearing on stage to play its part and then, likewise, to depart. Over.the last months I have read and contemplated your, and Tw's confrontation/challenge in 'Skipper's Guestbook' , quite a few times in fact. At first I did not take a very good view of the writing and use of language. Rather brusk and unnecessarily authoratative. Mabee TW was military or head of a corporation and developed/used this style of communication ... I don't know really. But after 'getting used to', and a handle on this aspect, and seeing what was really being said, a string of honest and competent thoughts seemed to be emerging. He indeed makes, or has some reasonable and perceptive points to offer ... no matter how poorly the presentation appears. Now who am I to make any comment on such matters I know.

I am near 70 now, using glasses, have an intermittant 11" laptop and an 8th-grade education. Yea, you can go check that out any which way you want to. I live in a 8' X 20' poor apt. Mom is gone, Dad is gone, my dearest ladyfriend died 8-years ago, and my beloved cat Hercules was poisoned ... I am alone. I like to post .. to put pictures and comments on the boards ... I know I'm not to welcome or wanted at AA, but that goes with the territory I guess. But you know, despite the opposition, I endure and persist ... perhaps a little too persistant at times, but you can take that as you may. I feel compelled to post and comment, to maintain at least part of the old values, and give or pass on some gleanings and encouragement to the present generation too.

I know it is part of human-nature to be contentious, and we have to be tolerant and patient, especially with the upcoming members. To be over-strict is an indulgence to be avoided. Now you Xenon have a certain class, an unmistakable elan, and in this I am certain. TW has a beligerant, a near forceful attitude and it shows, but he also has hopes for us to ... and tries hard to accomplsh this agenda. I feel I owe him resepect, as he did me a favour to bother straightening me out when I was getting somewhat out of control, even though I thought it was my old 'normal self'. I know I'm not 'educated', and can be downright irritating, obstinate, and ..frustrating I guess .. but I really meant and mean well for AA and  everybody belonging to this prestigeous site.

This brings another, but relate, point. I thought at joining this place needed a little zip and enthusiasm, and somehow deluded myself into thinking it was up to me to keep the place going, to spend all of many nights preparing posts, to get people interested, laughing, perplexed. So it seems .. in such wee hours .. I started to fatigue, no excuse I know, and post what now seems really crazy stuff. I see now I was mistaken to take an unnecessary or required responsibiity like that. I am so sorry for some of that bs presented here. It was mixed with some good stuff though too, so it was not all wasted efforts.

Tears come in my eyes now, because my heart is in the writing. Not much to give I suppose .. but that which has to be said may be of some instruction and encouragement to us all ... stay human ... don't give up your birthright. We are human-beings and that's something I will not give up, that is my ... and your inheritance .. cherish it dearly. We pass through this world but once ... so let's be the best blessing we can to everyone and all.

We are at a plateau and turning-point in AA, an organization, a group, an assemblage of people ... whom are unique, are distinct and dedicated, professional or not. I had, from the beginning, considered this the finest group of people on earth, but that we lagged-behind and should be up there with those of renoun, Hoagland's site, Skipper's site, ATS, and more. But you know what my friends, I have been thinking and realizing of late ... we are up there ... in fact ahead of the pack  -that , in our league, there is no finer and more resourceful group on the entire planet. In anomaly searches and in human relations to each other we can do so well.

And so, it need only be seen ... what is lacking and can be readily fixed? It is reconcilliation, and respect, the old views, for the new, the new ..for the old. I agree with TW on many points, and I agree with you Xenon on just as many too. Let's take the best ... and discard the rest ..please.. if we don't all row together .. this boat won't get nowhere. It's a fair and good deal all around ...yes/  -Morbius

It is not a scientific attitude to follow a predetermined ideas blindly and rejecting other options that have known
matches in an environment that is well known. Therefore, I agree with Morbius.

ICEMAN wrote:

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The advantage of this platform is that there is no editorial, allowing people to go their own way because the final outcome
is not predetermined but is at the present unknown.

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 ?HUH?

Morbius wrote:

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The new format does allow pic uploads , but I don't see how ... any directions on this here ? / -M

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Read the source link and accompanying info... Its simple. For you to be right you need to quantify your use of scale. 
Horse to water and such.  My last post on the matter.
Good luck and try to think clearly.

If you're using Nasa data, try to use all of it. Cherry picking and mixing in with non-scientific ideas with no true basis (in this case scale) kinda obliterates any ideas your trying to put forward.   
You ref point for scale is?
Your ref point for depth of field is?
Theres a lot more but I feel this will fall on deaf ears.  

Im away  now,
TW

THX's Q ... I know you meant well , but I'm still right . You see Q , you may need fresh air and greens ... but I believe in myself and what I see ... give it a try sometime .