Q, perhaps your 'glowing' comment more relevant then we thought....
Fireflies tend to be brown and soft-bodied, often with the elytra (front wings) more leathery than in other beetles. A few days after mating, a female lays her fertilized eggs on or just below the surface of the ground. The eggs hatch three to four weeks later, and the larvae feed until the end of the summer. The larvae are commonly called glowworms, not to be confused with the distinct beetle family Phengodidae or fly genus Arachnocampa. Lampyrid larvae have simple eyes. The term glowworm is also used for both adults and larvae of species such as Lampyris noctiluca, the common European glowworm, in which only the nonflying adult females glow brightly and the flying males glow only weakly and intermittently.
About 2,000 species of firefly are found in temperate and tropical environments. Many are in marshes or in wet, wooded areas where their larvae have abundant sources of food. These larvae emit light and are often called "glowworms", in particular, in Eurasia. In the Americas, "glow worm" also refers to the related Phengodidae. In many species, both male and female fireflies have the ability to fly, but in some species, females are flightless.[3]
Fireflies hibernate over winter during the larval stage, some species for several years. Some do this by burrowing underground,
I see what you mean gmantoo, at first I thought maybe it flew away but I can see were it is. After looking at this angle I think I'm seeing bugs and larva everywhere. You have to admit Chandre's idea about the larva does seem plossible considering what we're looking at. I can't wait for NASA anouncement. I hope it's not another let down like the first methane test.
Looking at Levelwinds image it does look as if that is a dead bee or beetle with legs too. However, I have looked at 0069MH0080004000E1_DXXX.jpg and it shows a different angle which does not look so convincing to me. I could be wrong of course. I have uploaded this image, see what you think. Ideally you should download the original rather than using this as we dont know if it is compressed and compressed again by the forum.
I have a feeling this is moving towards a disclosure of some kind but the media and scientists are being really obsinate and not asking any of the right questions (as they have been used to not doing) and so NASA have to be more and more obvious with the evidence they are 'discovering' so that things move in the required direction.
what are those butterfly things called .... 'crysalis'? Some of those burrow into the ground to pupate and turn into butterflies.
Right at 7 o'clock from the glowing thing it looks like a beatle lying on its back covered in sand. I tried uploading a crop but its not letting me at the moment. Also on the way into work this morning there was a story about a big history changing find by SAM on Curiosoty but they can't anounce it untill they run another test to confirm. I wonder if this will be it since that was the last scoop taken. I'll be keeping my eels peeled.
Ok, it let me uplaod. Can you see it? I can even make out six legs and the shell, right around 7:30 about 2" away in this photo.
-- Edited by Levelwind on Tuesday 20th of November 2012 01:41:20 PM
Q, I had a look at the towers but I just cannot seem to get them clear enough to make a call. It was the strands in the soil that made me think of an organic nature, like a spider or worm weaving around an egg sac that may have deteriorated in what looks like very mosit soil to me. The two objects at 1 and 3 pm, look like something has hatched out partially as they have area that are a different colour and texture. I agree that the white substance looks almost luminous, just do not trust the colour application on the images too much. There are many worms and other organic things that glow, perhaps it is that same type of substance. I am sure they have analysed it, just wish they would tell us what they found ! If it was partalli frozen or preserved then perhaps it just broke open rather thans being crushed ?
Have a really close look at this image, particularly at 9pm and see how strange this area really looks.
Besides the anomaly in question another thing seem very strange..... the sandy soil is damp, in fact it looks exactly the same as the sandy/gravel ballast foundation that my garden shed sits on, I don't know what to make of the original anomaly, it could be an egg case as Chandre has speculated, but I feel it is/was the underside of a life form, also just to the right of this anomaly is what looks like a little curled worm, and has anyone else noticed the filament strands that litter the area ?
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So... you dont see the upright pillars at the 11 o'clock position? I have no idea what they are. Do you think they are image or compression artifacts then?
Why should an old liquid be luminesent? If anything it would diminish in luminosity unless it was radioactive and had decayed down to an element which was in a luminous state.
Or, maybe you think it is a yellow/white liquid and it is just the way it is caught by the light perhaps? However, I still think it looks as if it has its own light in there somewhere - rather like some of this green luminous play-dough stuff which used to be on sale a few years ago. To me, it looks to be an active source rather than a passive one which needs charging from the daylight.
If it was an egg or needed something to be broken to expose it, then there would be bits of it all over the place smeared over surrounding areas. Dont you think? Q
Q, to be honest I am leaning towards an organic theory such as these being some sort of egg or seed that the scoop broke open and the contents have oozed out of. And to speculate further I am thinking marine like caviar or roe. Similar size and texture and internal liquid. Remember it has been in that ground for a long time preserved by the CO2.
salmon roe = red caviar = salmon caviar = ikura Notes: These eggs just explode in your mouth. They make wonderful hors d'oeuvres. Substitutes: smoked salmon roe OR trout roe (paler grains) OR golden caviar OR flying fish roe OR caviar (smaller and darker eggs, superior quality) OR lumpfish roe (cheaper)
We are supposed top believe there is only a very small amount of oxygen in the atmosphere and mostly CO2. However, as you suggest, I suspect that it is something which maybe a natural mineral which glows or else something manafactured to glow - possibly to be light source. It would be interesting to know what it is. I bet they have already analysed it. Why would they leave something as strange as that as an 'unknown' since the rover will be moving on, there will not necessarily be another opportunity to find more.
Looking closely at that closeup Chandre, there appear to be 3x upright pillars at the 11 o'clock position which maybe 'made' this glowing stuff. It does not look attached to anything else, does it?
-- Edited by qmantoo on Friday 16th of November 2012 12:42:29 AM
White phosphorus. It is a hard waxy substance, pure white when fresh but yellow as it ages and slowly converts to the red allotrope. White phosphorus is an exciting substance that glows in the dark if just a trace of oxygen is present and which if allowed to dry spontaneously bursts into flame producing prodigious amounts of white phosphorus pentoxide smoke. It is usually stored under water or mineral oil. Source: DePauw Chemistry Department
-- Edited by Levelwind on Thursday 15th of November 2012 04:06:42 AM
At least they have admitted that they are Martian objects, the 'glow bug' really looks like it has oozed out of that clod/pod it is attached to. Would love to know what it is made up of.
and their bright particle is nothing like the other one. It is a case of comparing apples with bananas. Oh.. of course, it is all a matter of perspective or "angle of the dangle". Strange how they have not noticed all these other light-toned particles before now. Maybe they analyse it (the original) and tell us what it is?
This image contributed to an interpretation by NASA's Mars rover Curiosity science team that some of the bright particles on the ground near the rover are native Martian material. Other light-toned material nearby (see PIA16230) has been assessed as small debris from the spacecraft.
Curiosity's Mars Hand Lens Imager (MAHLI) camera took this image on the mission's 66th Martian day, or sol, (Oct. 12, 2012) showing part of the hole or bite left in the ground when Curiosity collected its first scoop of Martian soil five sols earlier. A clod of soil near the top center of the image contains a light-toned particle. The observation that the particle is embedded in the clod led scientists to assess this particle as Martian material, not something from the spacecraft. This assessment prompted the mission to continue scooping in the area, despite observations of a few light-toned particles in the area being scooped.
The image shows an area about 2 inches (5 centimeters) across. It is brightened to improve visibility in the shaded area.
Bright Particle in Hole Dug by Scooping of Martian Soil
This image shows part of the small pit or bite created when NASA's Mars rover Curiosity collected its second scoop of Martian soil at a sandy patch called "Rocknest." The bright particle near the center of this image, and similar ones elsewhere in the pit, prompted concern because a small, light-toned shred of debris from the spacecraft had been observed previously nearby (PIA16230). However, the mission's science team assessed the bright particles in this scooped pit to be native Martian material rather than spacecraft debris.
This image was taken by the Mars Hand Lens Imager (MAHLI) camera on Curiosity's arm during the 69th Martian day, or sol, of the mission (Oct. 15, 2012), about a week after the scoop dug this hole. The view here covers an area of ground about 1.6 inches (4 centimeters) across.
Ahh - thats a piece of space debris fallen from the sky and been lying there since Curiosity landed. Think of an explanation, double it and add three. Yes, thats strange, but there have been others too, but to whom do they belong?