Morbius, if you take a picture of Newyork and treats it like NASA do, then we see a picture of ruins. Morbius! Remember that NASA deceives you. Investigate and make independent conclusions based on the researches.
1st, the previous attachments should replace the originals, because, in conversion, they have become excessively blown-up, and thus a difficulty in making out the actual sites in the Terrace Complex. These 5 smaller views are more laid-back and give a better grasp and perspective to the reported artificial nature of these ruins. So please use the smaller pics as a study set if you will. Secondly here, I also believe these terraced ruins are still occupied. There are shapes, sillouettes, and outlines of people everywhere. They number in the hundreds, if not thousands. I belive they are but survivors of an ancient war and its attendant catastrophe, and they are the remnants, as so many areas of Mars indicate likewise, who had not regained or attained to the heights and accomplishments of their Ancestors, but, remained at an elementary level, simular to the American Indian Tribes. One of these descendants in particular here, is seen on the 4th attached pic, and this is therefore included here, as a marked, and (one ) unmarked pic. 1 then, is marked as to a person possibly present. She is seen standing ( as marked ) with one hand on her hips and a kinda mini-skirt on. Her hair is long and full, her head slightly askance with one of those ..you know ..looks. She has a stomach and belly-button, legs, knee-caps and feet. The outstanding asset, or feature, of this gal .. are her boobs! Yes! If this proves for real, these gotta be the biggest boobs in the solar-system! I'm serious, I know my boobs, and these are for real! Mabee she is an intergalactic-hooker who just came to the Cliffside Hotel for a much needed rest and recouperation .. I don't know! In any event, I think they should be illegal! All those who see boobs, please let me know what you think ... somebody ... help! -Morbius
Timewarp, would you please stop ' suspecting ... are structures.' Your post was to compelling to resist, so have done some work for the thesis you were to present before the Grand Council of Martian Antiquities ! Basically ( forget that last part ) it is a confirmation and clarification of your find. There are 7 pics attached. The first suggests the plan design of the Terraced Ledges. The 2nd is a reasonably clear and unmarked view of the site, so that anyone wishing may track the site of the last 5 pics for themselves, and explore the entire site as it is. The mentioned last 5, are simply close-ups of some of the numerous ruins and structures present. Timewarp, you were right all along ..so believe it too! -Morbius
I have posted the image again, slightly smaller with a copy highlighting some of the groups of shapes which I suspect are structures. I just cannot see how these terraced shapes can be rock formations. In an effort to determine if the shapes are structures or not iIwill produce a pseudo 3_D image of the view. When completed I will post in the thread.
The images are .png versions. If you wish to download them, please do so. You can zoom in quite close without too much distortion to object detail.
The first image is provided to make comparisons.
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Timewarp, hello ... and what a contrast to your previous ' blurred ' entry! Your ' sectional crop ' submission is remarkably clear, believable ... and impressively detailed. Now, I feel compelled to ask as to just how you ' adjusted the parameters ' as you put it ?!! You asked ' please examine the detail closely, and that I have. To wit, this is a purposely terraced hillside, and the detail you have brought out is clear to show each ledge and its attendant ruins, of all descriptions, lying about. The obfuscation will continue however, as that is the agenda irregardless. I believe too, that some areas are purposely left pretty clear for our consolation, as Macten(?) surmises " they can sleep better at night "(?). So, lets grab some scraps and be satisfied for now.
Am attaching 2 pics to view. Have lightened your pic a bit and note what appears a short inscription on a tank lying on its side on one of the ledges. I ' roughly ' equate it to ' Y215 ', although this is only a pictorial equivalent, besides, my classical martian is a little rusty now. The second pic is in the same area, and marked to demonstrate the obfuscation layers present. It seems the layer below and above, but not covering your pic area, is significant in being left visible then? Mabee a freebee! Anyways, have noted, and marked, what seems a hovering crafft farther up the scene, but, not being shure where the sun would be, to cast its shadow for confirmation, just marked it as such for now. Once again, a fine piece of work Timewarp, great application ... and results too. Keep them coming !
Iceman, hello. I could analyze and give a critique on your writings, but am staying on the human level here. I know you are thinking in Icelandic ( as that may be ), then transposing it to a language you are not yet fully able to explain in. I know you are very straight-thinking and accurate in your own way, and that is why I am writing to you, as your writing is difficult for some to grasp at times. You are a good man Iceman, I have said that more than once, and I mean it, even when I josh you on occassion, you just keep on coming. You have a good attitude and I like that about you too. Now, in trying to sort out your ' reply ', would you please correcct me if I'm on the wrong track Iceman? So, you are saying we can't trust their (NASA's ) word, but can trust their 'data'(= Photos )? These are only issued publicly in various formats, but in no way resemble the original, they have equipment, electronics, algorythms and programs, we couldn't even touch. So to say we can trust these offerings, especially after their ' special-editing ' sessions, is not to clear a statement?
Just think, if you had a wedding and hired a top photographer, who agrees to show up and take some splendid photos for posterity, and asks for so much immediately, which you agree to. Then shows up, takes many pics and says " I'll release them to you in 6 months " ( a la Malin SSS ), and you somehow agree, then when you recieve them, they are excellent ' except ' ... the bride has a mustache and a cigar in her mouth, the groom is in a lion skin with a spear, and the best man has a racoon curled on his head, etc. Would you consider these reliable accounts or depictions? Yet we are supposed to believe the photos released by NASA et al .. are absolutely the ' real McCoy' and of an impecable and unquestionable quality and professional standards? And suitable for ' scientific ' evidence of the 'truth'!! Think Iceman, and all for that matter, think! We are trying, and with some modest degree of success, to interpret and resolve some of these pics back to a clearer format,not argue on and on as to the terrible obfuscation or other obstacles we encounter, but, what we can really achieve and present to this small AA group who are the essence of the true interprenerial and creative spirit who will succeed ... dispite the opposition!. -Morbius
Timewarp, re: the addition and purpose of ' tags '? The ' tags ' are just that, they are members/infromation that has attracted someones attention, and therefore is being sent out, reviewed, and kept in a giant global data-base for special-interest groups. In effect, simply, they are 'tracking' you. If you will note, all of my, and my alone, submissions, are ' tagged ' ( look on the board for the yellow tags ). As well, my name is attached, but no-one elses, to these submissions. And one submission, dealing with a possible military presence on Mars ( see attached ), was immediately blocked with an " access denied " label. The 'higher-ups' could not explain this and I have asked Chandre why my submissions are ' tagged ', but she never did reply to this question. So, it seems the closer you get to evidence that might encourage disclosure, the more you are watched. I know Skipper endured such at first, so we need take our own scrutiny with the same resolve and hope for some reasonable middle-ground here in this unnessesary competition between full disclosure and a limited disclosure. Just what makes them so adament against some poor earthie-explorer finding a building or ruin on Mars, or wherever, is that they already know what's up there and we're ' not ready ' for it ( whereas they are ). It's like they can go to Niagara Falls regularly, but get mad if we have a calendar or postcard with its picture on it ... quite unfathonable, really. -Morbius
PS, the 'sniper' is clearly seen, just zoom a bit, in the bottom-left corner of the first pic from EnterpriseMission.
meomeo (?): did you not ask that I look at this posted pic, as it appears a part of the Hale Crater Walls. The area of the arrows is a square shadowy blur and have examined it. The site is on the hillside and, closeup, the land looks like it has opened into huge chasms. Whether these be from earthquakes, landslides, flooding or sinkholes is unknown at this time. The square blur resolves into what appears a building , which has collapsed or partially slid into the back chasm. That's about what a preliminary evaluation concludes for now. -Morbius
I don't think NASA/JPL are going to be able to hide what is showing in the image shown below. This is a sectional crop from the view that ICEMAN posted above.
I have adjusted the parameters and saved the image as a .png to maintain as much object integrity as possible.
I am pretty certain that the shapes showing in the image are structures and I believe that when Curiosity gets closer to the foothills some interesting structural features will come into view but the features will only be realized as long as no obsfucation techniques are applied by the image handlers. I say to JPL - keep the images clean and original. We know what is on Mars. You cannot cover things up any longer. The time for disclosure is nigh.
Please examine the detail closely as possible and I think you will be quite surprised at what there is to view.
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Here is a question regarding the credibility of NASA: if NASA is hiding facts about the planet Mars Why Should locations and mission to be truth,. it is simply possible to search for water on the planet by being in orbit. If water is available in any quantity, is such an approach sufficient. The nature of science is to draw intellectual conclusions. The data we have are photos from NASA, no word from NASA because the words of NASA is in obvious conflict with imagery from NASA. When will you understand this and think accordingly, maybe you are just not willing to see the truth. It's like Repressed memories, let's call it suppress intelligence.
This grid amplifies the design parameters of the original builders, as it is laid out with absolute mathematical precision. There was no guesswork or add on later here. It was built as a single functional unit. A place for everything and everything ... in its place. Now a shambles, of ruins and devestation everywhere. This is just a confirmation and clarification of Iceman's find. -Morbius
Timewarp, There are so many methods that can be used. You can mix a variety of methods to obtain the effect that it is not to increase the credibility of the data, on the contrary, raises questions about credibility. One irrefutable way to estimate the alleged change in reliability is to compare the size of the source image and those who were treated by right clicking the image and select: image properties.
ICEMAN, I'm not criticising the image or the content you posted but wondering what Morbius did to produce the image distortion seen in the above attachments.
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My job here is to interpret images based on well-known graphic parameters. I'm not here to put forward ideas that can not be backed up by data from NASA. This is what is called scientific approach
Morbius, what have you done to ICEMAN's image? I would have thought that you would have 'hidden' the compression artefacts first.
My apologies about the blurred 'postcard' image I posted above. Something has gone wrong from the time the image left my computer to displaying on the forum page as it was much sharper when I uploaded it to the Photobucket site. And here's something else I have noticed about Photobucket. Only recently they have started to add a tag to the end of the image filenames. The addition of the tags only started a few days ago but what could be the purpose? If you right-click on my last image and look at the filename you will see what I mean.
I will endeavour to post a sharper image of the view. Also, it may be better to reduce the size as a 1000 pixels wide image would appear to be a bit heavy relative to the forum page size.
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This might be a rough voyage, but climb aboard, batten the hatches, and hunker-down. I would like to begin with two quotes to start off with. They are excerpts from the very beginning of the ' Curiosity Update ' of Aug. 15th, some 4 or 5 weeks ago. 1. " The path of Curiosity is towards the Gale Crater Wall and its Mount Sharp. It must first go across the badlands called the Mohave Desert of Mars, then on into the foothills of the Gale Crater, wind a way over these and on into the Crater." 2. " It is inevitable that the closer Curiosity approaches these buildings, ruins and debris, the erasing and fogging of them will become increasingly difficult. There will also be diversions, breakdowns, transmission problems that will ' occur ' as the weeks go by. " And this was but a simple forecast some weeks ago. As we all know then, Curiosity is on a 2 year exploratory course to transverse the badlands, wind a way on up the slopes, into the crater ( Hale's ) and look around for signs of civilization ( a la Hoagland et al ). And so how, may I ask you, is Curiosity to go through the 150 ft. deep waters of a mighty river or lake ... to the other side, in order to wind its way up the slopes, and into the crater to ' look around ' for signs of some ancient ' super-civilization '?!!
Don't be thrown-off by the pretty-picture and the colour their throwing at you like a Hollywood blockbuster! Just because NASA painted it blue, doesn't mean it's water ... of any kind! Just because it looks like the powerful Niagara Gorge, doesn't mean it's there, or true ... knowing NASA, their counting on it. That's what they want you to think ... and see ! Let's get something clear here, there are no ' landscapes reflected on water surface '. There is no more water down there than in the Arizona Badlands, or the Gobi Desert! But yes, I can just see the intrepid Iceman, running down the slopes in a bathing-suit with a towel thrown over his shoulder shouting oktulieben! Ya! Vassa Vassa! or some such joy. In his excitement of course, completely oblivious to having passed a beached-whale ( at 14,000 ft.!), a 400 ft. icebreaker, and along the way, a f'n submarine too! Now Iceman, I think your a great guy, and I don't mind a couple of leprechauns once in a while, but the mentioned ' view ' is difficult for my feeble mind and failing eyesight to grasp. So please give some thought as to reconsidering this possibly confusing subject !
While I'm wound-up, might as well answer Timewarp too. Ahoy there! This is Captain Ahab speaking! Am just scratching my peg-leg with a chopstick and eating a 6 month old pizza I found on the deck while awaiting my fate with that shmook ... Moby Dick! Something is wrong here ... I mean with the pizza, it needs more pepperoni anchoves , or .... something .... anyways, ah .. OK then ,
Timewarp, hello. You ' enhanced image ' slightly' and ' tone-down the colours ' as ' the original image left a lot to be desired ' Firstly, the way you have ' enhanced ' it -causing it to do just the opposite -to ' blur '! Secondly, the ' tone-down ' helps, but better to get rid of the colours altogether -go greyscale for more detail. You can always add a touch of colour, or ( my fav ) sepia, as it gives it depth and dimensionality, as well warmth to a picture. Yes, add these, after you have figured out just what you have there to begin with. I feel my work is reasonably detailed and clear, yet it is just a lot of practice with available off-the-shelf programs. Mention of which, and I don't work for nobody, the British company Xara is about to release their version 8 of Xara Photo & Graphhic Designer ( $198.00), and are literally giving-away the last of their Xara Photo & Graphic Designer 7 ( reg. $89.95 ) for $24.95! My UK friend, download it while there's still time! It comes with a CD, capture-mode, and up to 25,601 % magnification ( not that you'd use it unless studying individual pixels, but that it holds steady at that extreme is evidence of good planning and design ), but it is about the finest zoom available. Try it for the trial period, and if not satisfied, you don't lose nuthin. It's a win win situation! Oh yes, study, zoom a bit if you wish, and follow the detail of the last two attachments. See how the ruins continue. Also, take into account the induced shading-effect. The picture is true, the building details and such, but simply go into a darker shade ( obfuscation ) and this is throwing everybody off. Once compensated for, the eyes are better trained, and the mind less biased in what it is really seeing ... you are more at ease and confident in your analysis too. Anyways ... " Righto!" ( -that's opposite the left toe ) -Morbius
Here is the same view as shown above with some of the interesting areas enclosed in rectangles.
Take special note of the left-hand yellow arrow and what it is pointing to. Is this rectilinear shape a rock formation or a structure?
The yellow rectangle is highlighting what would appear to be some very unusual formations that would appear to be built structures.
Also, looking closely at the rock faces some representations of facial artforms can be observed.
I had to enhance the image slightly and tone down the colour saturation as the original image left a lot to be desired.
I think Curiosity should be very cautious as it moves towards the foothills of Mount Sharp if it gets that far and doesn't get stuck in mud at the lower levels.
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In this picture we see: Landscapes reflected on water surface, spherical structure, tower as on submarines and more.
It seems that NASA has stopped further publication of photographs. They are probably updating their falsifications equipments to be able to continue to deceive the people. We have become too precise, so further delusion appear to be imminent.
PIA16105 is destined to go down in history. This is a postcard-perfect picture! Upon first viewing it looks gorgeous, incredible ... and more. Yes, more indeed! It is meant as a PR special of what marvels the Curiosity can do in sending back such to the expectant and faithful taxpayers! I notice however, an entire obfuscation present, layer after layer, smudge after smudge. Quite simply, if we were there, in Curiosity's place, we would not be seeing what appears on this specially edited picture, it has , foot by foot, been totally revamped in content, but with a good makeup job applied. Don't know what I'm ranting on like this for, but it's got to be said. I know gmantoo, Iceman, Timewarp, Macten, as many many more, are aware of these ' problems ', so will just present a few items here for our clarification.
There are two areas of interest covered here, and that seem to have been more lightly degraded than the bulk of the picture evidences. They have , perhaps purposely, been allowed to escape by the finger-painting crew. Iceman's Mara Ship is just at the thinning-edge of the previous and heavier obfuscation above it, as elsewhere.. I have studied this area and ' the Ship '. It may be a dock-side wharf of sorts, a marketplace of exchange goods, or , as a ship, may be a flat-bottomed, shallow-draft type ... like a riverboat ( see attached for this ). The second area is in the right side foothills in the picture, and has ben redone too ( see attached ). These attached mentioned above, have a few explanatory annotations which are readily followed. So Macten, yes, somebdy has checked the gun placement on the hill, and yes Timewarp, you are pereptively on the mark in considering a military component of the picture may be present. And yes Iceman, there is things 'up in them thare hills!" ( You still owe me a bottle of aspirins from last time !??) And gmantoo, much thanks for deciding for stickin with the real people, as the house would not be complete without you, yes indeed! Well that's about it then my friends, see what you think, enjoy, till next time ... -Morbius
Looking at this pic it reminds me of some areas of the Colorado Plateau. That said, it took a couple million years to make a lot of the structure there. This is different though. It looks like at one time the water came through with enough force to erode the left side of every hillock in the picture. In most valleys like this (on earth) the hills are pretty even and even smooth. This would lend creedence to the Morbius flood theory.
The airplane area is in my opinion a settlement area and not an object at all. I say this because I can see the doughnut shapes which are often around settlement areas, and the "lines" are banks/walls. Imagine the early settlers and historical periods of Britain etc they built walled cities to keep invaders out and to protect from the environment.
It is much more likely that these areas are civilization areas than they are large whales or airplanes and that explanation in far more acceptable to scientists who could possibly be persuaded too. The boat, I can see and it is in the relative foreground so it could be this. Only my opinions, of course.
In the midst of a hurricane here and iPad is not good for images..I will comment on on boat shapes,yes,building shapes yes but the airplane design looks like a big azz reptile or artifact..wormlike yes..my 2 cents..for what it is worth..
As far as ships are concerned, look at the upper slopes where there are some shapes that could be construed as being ships. Personally, I do not think they are. There are a huge number of anomalous objects showing which just cannot be rocks or rock formations. I am sure that many of the formations are built structures.
A future close view from Curiosity of this area should make viewing interesting.
Image credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/UA/MSSS
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All we have here tells me that Mars is a living planet today. That's why everyone is dying of fright. I hate fearful individuals. because they will never achieve the best and most beautiful in their lives.
In knowing that the ancient mature martians were great artists, examples of their work can be seen all over the planet's landscape. I believe that at some time in the distant past Mars was occupied by a thriving civilization with an advanced and well-developed culture. I have to admit that I cannot recognize 'the ship' as others can which is unfortunate. As far as my question above is concerned, I will work on the image so that some examples of what I have spotted can be uploaded.
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Intriguing! The ship especially is very clear for me. The other one, I think of as a whale because it has the horizontal fluke. Excellent find, Iceman. Everyone. -- E.J.
THat really does look like a ship, and it is in the right position to have been docked at the shoreline if the water had been that high. There even seems to be a wheelhouse on it..
The whole area looks as if it had been eroded by water at one time. There appears to be another ship or vessel of some type with a large spoked wheel in the lower right quadrant of the pic. It is wrecked and broken but the wheel can be seen plainly. The other thing that caught my attention was the half buried bones? in the hillside. If this was an animal it had to be huge. Apolgies for the fuzzy pics, hopefully they get the point across.
Timewarp, you are saying that you are seeing a whole civilisation laid out in the lower slopes of this image? For some reason I assumed this was where water had flower in the past, but maybe it has been built on afterwards. I would not want to live in an old river bed in case the river came back after a downpour! This happens in many countries on Earth.
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