Interesting find Chandre wish I could offer a solution. Guess I'll have to let this matter rest until new evidence or analysis emerges on these lights
The following slide comes from image M175355139 and has been magnified from the original (shown inset). I dont think there is much pixellation but I have to admit that the strange shapes submitted are on the edge of a boulder field which doesnt help as there are many weird and wonderful shapes to be had........
However.......the shape to the fore appears to be roundish and sitting on a very linear base of some sort. To the right of it there is an angular opening or recess with what looks to me like 2 dark circular shapes inside (binocular-like). The shape up to the left of this is shaped like a shield and seems to be leaning over held up by 2 very thin supports (arrowed). The corrugated effect on the triangular shape to the top right also caught my eye as I wonder how this effect could be achieved geologically on the moons surface. Observations welcome.
TG, I also did not think it was on the ground but TW reminds us to check ALL possibilities. I went looking for something that it could have been reflecting off outside the craft or perhaps the LM while docking and undocking. Looked at the thrusters carefully, but did not see the EVA light even after examining the command module plans ? Will go back and have a look, on the plans the only thing extending off the command module body appeared to be three nodules of some sort on either side of the hatch.
While looking at the image I noticed something else, three items that look like orbs. Any ideas ?
-- Edited by Chandre on Tuesday 29th of January 2013 11:02:03 AM
TW hi. Just to clarify.... I didnt think the former anomaly (namely the EVA light) was on the ground by the way - that would have made it gigantic.
Just wondering - Has NASA flipped the Hasselblad image horizonatlly? I was trying to compare the surface detail with your black and white 'Amateur image'. If so ....why would they do that? Many of the LRO catalogue of images are flipped vertically or horizonatally....... Of course it may be that the amateur image is flipped.
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Yes Geo, telescopes on earth use mirrors with optics.. Most probably inverted but judging by the angle the focal length was the only change. The point in my 2nd post on your thread was trying to find another angle of confirmation. 99.9% of orbital anomalies are pointed out but never confirmed with secondary crater names in locality. In this case I drilled down to the location (with cordinates). Found main crater name ,near by for diffrent angle hunt. Found it and proceeded to look for anomaly again (I hadnt chucked the towel in yet on your post depite my initial explanation).
I find debunking and questioning myself helps clarify or throw up inconsistencies. Its an exhausting affair but builds up the retrospective muscle that I can see you dont lack in either. Its been a pleasure reacting to your post. Its rare ;) GJ
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TW hi. Just to clarify.... I didnt think the former anomaly (namely the EVA light) was on the ground by the way - that would have made it gigantic.
Just wondering - Has NASA flipped the Hasselblad image horizonatlly? I was trying to compare the surface detail with your black and white 'Amateur image'. If so ....why would they do that? Many of the LRO catalogue of images are flipped vertically or horizonatally....... Of course it may be that the amateur image is flipped.
Thanks for your comments Chandre and The Watcher. That will teach me not to research an image more thoroughly. I was sure I had found something which compared favourably to my little 'craft' sitting on its ramp at -44.30 and the other Apollo image anomaly. Oh well back to the drawing board.
The 2 EVA floodlights dont look the same but I have to admit that this must be the case. The top EVA floodlight looks to have a pole thats very bent and contorted supporting it but this must be down to lighting.
Hi Geneologist... This well known anomaly has been debunked a number of times but Im glad to see it again. I will Use Internos (of ATS) graphical explanation to save re-inventing the wheel.
Structure appears in another Lunar image at a higher altitude (Below).
EVA FloodLight
Cheers
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Raised mountanous ridges is Identified in amateur images and ref logs. No sign of feature. Can we be sure the location Ive named is definately the POI?... Yes. Double crater feature (smaller at 1 o'clock of Wallace North of Wallace main crater) used to confirm other views of wallace.. below image is tight but we would have seen this feature from earth if it was there.
Amateur image of same location different angle (independent).
Image below mountain range shows know sign of feature.
Its a little obvious that structure in OPs post is not on the ground. This has been confirmed from 2 (independantly shot images). Structure must be closer to camera! (On the space craft).
Cheers
-- Edited by TheWatcher on Monday 28th of January 2013 07:58:08 PM
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Hi TG, that is a very interesting anomaly. I cannot tell you what it is, BUT I can tell you what it is not....
The film sequence for 'roll' 91 shows the RCS THRUSTERS; S-IV-B and then towards the end the image you have captured. I have shown the end on image to rule out this being the anomaly.
Image : AS15-91-12339
The next few 'rolls' are of the surface and then orbit and then in roll 96 they capture the return of the Lunar Module and docking, absolutely NO chance they are the same as your image.
Image : AS15-96-13035
Also looked at the anomaly and am pretty confident that it is not a reflection as there are many images on that roll with reflections to compare it against. There is a lot of pixellation around the anomaly and the crater on the right in the image has literally been cut off half way up....
-- Edited by Chandre on Monday 28th of January 2013 03:04:59 PM
Also worth a look in relation to the Apollo 15 Anomaly is Hasselblad image AS15-91-12403. If you look to the top left hand corner of the coloured photo taken on board the spacecraft you will see a very similar object which looks as if it is coming towards the camera. The nose cone is present and the darkened windscreens are there and the overall shape is very similar. The dorsal fin however now looks to be a much longer tail-like attachment going off to the left hand edge of the picture.
Thanks laserdance for your observations and added highlighting. I will certainly look back at the image to see if I can re-examine the peak area.
Further to pap d's comments below I just wondered if you had had a chance to look at the following anomaly on the LRO site, This has been previously posted on the 'Similar Anomalies' thread but I would really recommend you look at this location before it is overwritten with a less clear version. You will note that I have made a comparison to an anomaly that has been identified in an Apollo 15 photo. For my part this is the one anomaly that could in fact be the same and therefore convinced me the most to carry on with this project. You will note that the moon based anomaly appears to be sitting on a ramp as if its waiting to take flight maybe!!!! Id be interested in your thoughts. Pay particular attention to the nose cones, dorsal fins, screens and the general overall shape of the craft.
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in this thread a lot of very strong finds came out : basically every image is souspicious but in my opinion there are 4 of these finds that are more clear and more strong of the rest.
im speaking about "tunnel with canopes" ( in my opinion they could be wreckages of a bigger craft, in particular a "rocket shaped craft" or a "cylindric shaped craft" ), the "Racing Car" ( seems a lot a tank ), the "Thycho Peak anomaly" ( seems a giant radar or turret, considering also its position, on the top of the peak ), and more of all the "Best looking craft on the moon-Tycho Crater".
the craf is astonishing, i mean it seems that clearly artificial shape is parked on the top of a couple of structures like big pillars.
the attempt to obfuscate the left side of the anomaly is clear and anyway not enough well done to avoid identification, that makes a question to rise in my mind ( for the 100th time ) : why they let us the possibility to find these anomalies ? this is a very important question, i couldn't came out with a logic theory.
i ve a little question Genealogist, im curious about the extimated dimension of these finds : usually all the wreckages on Mars are basically of gigantic dimension, at least respect to our "human" standard, in this case the objects seems more small, but i dont know if my supposition is correct.
do you can extimate the dimension of the craft ?
-- Edited by papadipongo on Saturday 26th of January 2013 12:07:57 AM
Thanks 'Papa d..' for your comment on the craft shown earlier in the thread and located at Lat -44.09693 Long -11.93748 on the LRO Quick map site.
I hope this new posting triggers similar emotions as both craft-like objects shown could be related to each other I guess. The first shuttle like 'craft' on the left even has a bay-like door in an 'open position' with what appears to be a figure rising out of it (If only but alas no shadow cast beyond that of the shuttle object). Now I cannot say whether this is all possible or just a collection of rocks and boulders but (from my point of view) this scene is what the LRO camera has captured. The triangular anomaly to the right appears to have 2 round objects on the top positioned exactly where a pilot might be expected to sit (shown as a dark indent). The triangular shape would seem made for the cargo bay of the first object.
the possibly best looking like craft is one of the best i've ever seen....and there are other clearly artificial objects you spotted that are clearly veichles or radar/turrets/structures...great finds...keep the good work
While looking back at the LRO site to see if there are any updated images on certain anomalies I have previously posted my attention was drawn to an anomaly that appears on image M157675223L.The object in question appears to be conical in shape and very similar to the cone shaped meteorites found here on earth and which are formed when they hit our atmosphere. Slide 1 shows this object as it appears on the image. I have shown 3 other examples of the object on slide 3 and by turning the images one way or the other a cone shape does eventually emerge. However only M157675223L shows the object clearly while the others are in shadow due to the angle of the sun.
Machine Craft like Anomaly Recently Revisited on the LRO site
The following two slides seem to show two halves of a machine or craft-like anomaly which has some sort of pipework or tap at the back of the front half. The pipes either run into the ground or we are witnessing the disposal of waste matter onto the surface. The surrounding area immediately around where the pipes curve downward appears to be lighter than the ground further away. Perhaps a little presumptuous on my part as this may simply be the result of shadows but I am open to other suggestions. The location on the LRO Quick Map site is supplied on the first image. As a check I have also looked at NASA images M119929934R and M181236753R. Only 34R shows the anomaly as 53R has the area in shadow unfortunately.
I appreciate what your saying Geneo. Just thinking out loud about getting a different look on the site in question. Cheers
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Hi 'The Watcher' thanks for your opinion of the quality of the images displayed. You have a point. I think the quality of the images appears different on different computer screens. They look different on my PC and my laptop. I do 'try' to get the clearest image I can from the LRO site and search all the available material relative to the given location. I do not make any claims that what I see is fact only that something looks out of trhe ordinary. I always invite observers to look at the original images on the site. 99% of the finds have the locations given. I simply invited Morbius to have a look at a couple of images. I value all opinions even if contrary to what I think.
Hi just a little curious as to why surface shots of lunar surface is a little neglected? They're sometimes closer, sharper with less imaging artefacts. As for these LRO images, it's a big ask to identify anything from these poor res images displayed. I know it's a matter of convenience but I can't help thinking that stronger finds (more definition) can be located in more than one way. I can't see what Morbius is doing accept in making the resolution worse. Maybe there's something there but unfortunately these images don't strengthen your cases.... Yet. Identifying nearby craters and triangulating locations with Apollo surface and orbital images may help? Far more work needed!
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The following 2 slides show an anomaly which sits behind a structure which may or may not itself be an anomaly. I leave that for others to work out as I cant get it clear on my computer. However the 'tin hat-like' anomaly sits just behind this structure but only partially hidden from view. It appears to be metallic with 2 maybe 4 window like openings to the left. Each of these 'window' like openings appear to be similar in size and dimension. No enhancement has been used other than magnification and a little brightness. Observations welcome. The image is also available as M160029952L.
Please navigate to the following site and co-ordinates.
Morbius please dont worry about what I think. I am the last person to be judgemental. How can I possibly say that this or that has happened or is happening on the moon. Every day I have to justify myself to my family that this 'project' is worthwhile and that the time I spend on it has a purpose. When I was young I wanted to be an archaeologist, unfortunately I couldnt take up the place at University and had to go to work. When I got the opportunity I started studying public records and found an outlet for my historical interest in geneaology. Now I feel I have come full circle. Every day I make a new discovery. Only time will be my judge.
I will absorb your comments and go back to the original image to see if I can see what you see. Thanks
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Hello Genealogist, have set up your ' jeep ' anomaly and ' a tower ' to process for now, and should have something for you by tomorrow eve. For now, am submitting a short project from your ' 5th RLO IMAGE showing craft like anomaly.' I consider the ' craft like ' to be a raised observation-deck with spectators or ' people ' on it. The ' vague outlines ' in the other square are quite outstanding, for they resolve into an incredibly tall group of people, almost like they are on stilts ( you have captured their outlined top ... but their bodies continue on down to the ground ). They seem to have striped clothes on. They are two, or three with a shorter or younger person in front They are arranged like a family-picture taking. I would estimate their height at 30 ft. tall. Not a difficulty in the weaker lunar gravity. Mention of which, and a larger picture view , I believe you have seen an earth-globe with its visible lines of lat. and long., yes? Well, on a particularly good lighting picture of the moon, you can see those very same lines! Why? I believe that during the Great Cosmic War and attendant Cataclysm, the bombardment of the moon opened these once seamless construction line parts of the moon. Yes, an artificial sattelite indeed. In fact you can read of this somewhat in the book " Who Built the Moon?" I also believe there have been reports of clouds, vapour, and rain in some areas of the moon, and pockets of air/oxygen as well. Again, with advanced energy domes, it would be quite plausible to maintain a steady, livable environment, for any survivors.
Well, you said you value my opinion, and I hope you do not have any regrets, mabee second thoughts or questions perhaps. You see, these pictures are incredible and intriguing no end. But then again, every discovery and question answered ... seems to provoke yet another series or round of problems and questions .. a virtual Catch 22! The more I learn and comprehend a greater picture .. the more mixed-up I seem to get! It is a real balancing act to juggle all these amazing facts into a proper place and perspective.
Finally, here, in regards to the attached, its ' giants ' and ' observation-deck ', there is a peculiar ' scene ' to the left of these. It appears to be an open-air royal-audience throne area, if it may be so described. With 2 pairs of royalty on center-stage and surrounded on their appointed tiers are other dignitaries and members of the royal entourage arranged. I have seen some rather unsettling things in ' full detail ' mode, so have usually blurred or over-sharpened a bit on all my submissions. This applies to the attached as well, albeit quite enough detail is present to give good claim to the picture content. Yes, there is much more detail here, but did not choose to ' focus ' it in for now. Hope this will give you some insight as to just what we are really dealing with here, and, as mentioned, will examine and report on the ( possible ) ' jeep ' as well a confirmation of the ' tower ' as a constructed edifice, next report. -Morbius
The following anomalies are in a large boulder field resulting from the collapse of a very long overhang. I am always reluctant to look at boulder fields as there is always the possibility that one rock in a thousand will look like something anomalous. However there are a number of anoamlies in exactly this location so I have shown 2 that interest me.
Although the slide below contains what appears to me to be a very conventional jet looking nose-cone it wasn't just this that intrigued me at this location. Just to the left of the anomaly there appears to be 3 figures 'standing' together. Of course it could be an optical illusion but look at how the figures are made up. The one to the far left appears to be standing face on and has 2 legs. The other 2 look are side on facing the first. The whitish heads of the figures shiow up against the blackness and the their dark upper halves indent and show up against the whiteness of the object they are standing on. They seem to be of different heights. It seemed worthy of mention anyway as i have found similar groups of these figures in other locations.
LROC Act React Quick Map
Location Lat -42.68845 Long -9.59330
-- Edited by The Genealogist on Wednesday 10th of October 2012 10:24:10 AM
-- Edited by The Genealogist on Wednesday 10th of October 2012 10:25:17 AM
I think that we have to realise that if we believe that there are civilisations on Moon/Mars/etc then they have some signs of habitation according to their culture and technology.
Over time, having looked at loads of pictures (as I am sure we all have too), I have come to identify these structures which appear to go with the culture and habitation of the 'aliens'. These seem to be things like doughnuts, round balls/spheres, etc. As an example, things like 'stepping stones' across a stream, but they are rocks (perhaps) placed at regular intevals across the terrain. Maybe these mark out their paths or roads, or maybe they are 'beacons' for their craft or transport, I dont know.
Anyway, when I look at an image now, my eyes immediately know that there are areas where these beings are living because I see these familiar structures near where they live, work, etc.
Of course, the detail is different in each picture, but the same structures are there, just placed in different places and in different sizes. When you realise that the AI computers that NASA have, are going to paint black onto areas which are sensitive, you realise that what you thought was a face or cave opening or whatever, only appears that way due to the placement of the black areas 'chopping up' the regular recognisable outlines. Outlines which we would normally use to recognise signs of life in an environment.
This is rather like camoflage and tricks the eye into believing that we do not recognise something familiar and so our eye passes on looking for other recognisable features. This is what I think a lot of the structures we are identifying are really showing us - areas of the image broken up with black, which fool our eyes into thinking it is something else. Do I make any sense?
Yes, there are lots of signs of activity in all these images. Pulluks, I can see the vent with a X across the top in the top right square at 10 o'clock from the 'house'. In another area, I have found some building like structures or logs. Not sure what they are yet, but will have to go to my windows machine to examine them. stay tuned...
Hi Polluks good find adds weight to the idea that some form of venting of gases exists maybe. I looked for distortion of the light above but I couldn't see any. Did you also notice that above and to the right of the tunnel there appears to be another very similar anomaly. It can be seen on your image and even at low magnification on the LRO Quick Map. The area around this vent is most interesting and full of anomalies too. There looks to be a at least 3 tunnel-tube like structures to the left of it and even a couple of star symbols. One on the structure in the tunnel and one far left on a rock. Good find again.
In this series of 3 slides the observer will not only see a possible craft-like anomaly but also (I believe) an attempt to disguise it. Perhaps this should also be posted under the 'Tampering Evidence' forum. Please examin the original asap on the LRO Act React Quick Map website (while its still there) and then look more closely at the the magnified versions below. You will hopefully see that on the left side of the anomaly the image has been edited and spliced back together leaving only half an anomaly. Am I seeing things? Observations welcome.
When is a rock not a rock? When its a spacecraft maybe!!
I am always very wary of anomalies that sit in a rock field. However every now and then one comes along which cries out to be posted. No enhancement of any sort has been used other than magnification. This craft-like anomaly even has what seems to be a pilot at the helm... Is it possible? Note the star-like symbol (covered on another thread) just below the main object.
Located on LROC Act React website at Lat -43.44769 Long -11.52085
This slide shows other fish type objects like the one below one of which is very clear on the LRO Active Map. Co-ordiantes are supplied for 2 of the 5 examples.
Well thats it then. I might as well give up now.....I think not.
Amazingly the people at the Arizona Sate University have asked me to look at this vertical view of the Tycho central peak. The main focus is a 120m boulder that apparantly explains everything.
Well lets take a look at this high resolution photo on their main web site. Just towards the top right hand corner of this portion stands a pole several meters long with a very nice shadow to boot. I rest my case.
Or.... Are they trying to tell me something they cannot tell me????
-- Edited by The Genealogist on Thursday 26th of April 2012 08:57:30 PM
-- Edited by The Genealogist on Thursday 26th of April 2012 09:02:42 PM
-- Edited by Chandre on Wednesday 6th of June 2012 09:22:01 AM
All LROC images that you can preview in Quickmap are available for download from our website, in NASA PDS image format (IMG extension). While in the Quickmap interface, simply click on Magnifying Glass icon, then on the location of interest. A pop-up window will show you the list of all NAC and WAC images available for that location. Simply click on the link for the image of interest, and then download either the EDR or CDR product.
The object in your screen shot is simply a large boulder (~51m long) with a large shadow being cast off to the right (East) of the boulder. There are numerous large boulders that where either thrown up during the impact that created Tycho or were displaced during the isostatic rebound that created the central peak. There are numerous examples of boulders, like the one you indicated, littered around Tycho's central peak. The position of the Sun and the resultant shadows that are expressed by a feature on the surface of the Moon can drastically altered how it "appears and is interpreted" by a person.
Have a read of our Featured Image from June 29, 2011, which features a very large boulder perched a top the summit of Tycho's central peak
Thank you so much for your reply. I have duly noted the contents and you are absolutely correct in your assessment of my knowledge and experience. You said in your email that the online LRO Quick Map is only a 50% version of the 100% version you possess.
Taking that into account I would be most grateful if you could supply me with a 100% resolution version of the following co-ordinates as the 'rock' in this photo appears (to me) to be a derelict craft-like anomaly in Tycho Crater with a strange object sitting aloft (just to the right). I have put this past all the teachers in my school and they agree with me that despite your assessment and explanation of my previous photo this one needs a little more explaining as those in the photographic department feel the resolution of this photo is actually quite good considering.
Co-ordinates:- Tycho Crater Lat -43.11919 Lon -11.02862
Magnification at 0.5 mpix
I look forward to receiving your reply on this.
Many thanks
Mark
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-- Edited by The Genealogist on Tuesday 24th of April 2012 11:40:35 PM
-- Edited by Chandre on Wednesday 6th of June 2012 09:24:04 AM
Again not too far from the object in the main picture below which is at at -43.11919 -11.02862 we have this anomaly which for all the world looks like a Formula 1 racing car from above. Co-ordinates Lat -43.15188 Lon -10.97751. Observations welcome.
-- Edited by Chandre on Wednesday 6th of June 2012 09:24:43 AM
If members feel that something could at least be be there worth investigating further I look forward to hearing ideas on how I can get the resolution of the images improved. Should I approach the ASU again after their scathing reply last time. I have made a slight adjustment to the co-ordinates of the anomaly:-
They are Tycho Crater Lat -43.11919 Long -11.02862
These anomalies appear to the left side of the (craft like) white object in the main photo. They are near to the dark area. The first, a hand like extension with corresponding shadow is visible together with a lower dark squarish object with lighter squares around it.
-- Edited by Chandre on Wednesday 6th of June 2012 09:25:21 AM
If you find this anomaly interesting then zoom in at the top to the right I think some members might be shocked at what appears to emerge. Either Arizona are having me on or I think Im gonna stop now. This sent a shiver down my spine. Please tell me Im seeing things. Please look at the original to verify.
-- Edited by The Genealogist on Sunday 22nd of April 2012 10:52:42 PM
-- Edited by Chandre on Wednesday 6th of June 2012 09:27:19 AM
Talking of wrecks I found this odd object near the one below which is smooth on one side but has loads of strange appendages coming out the right side. Reminds me of a fuselage that has broken off and all the inner workings are hanging out at the back.
What do members think? Co-ordinates supplied at the bottom of the LRO screen print taken at 0.5 meters per pixel
-- Edited by Chandre on Wednesday 6th of June 2012 09:28:12 AM
Thank you for your observations. I have blown the image up to 200%. I hope this doesnt count as enhancement of any kind. I am trying hard not to do any of that other than perhaps circling the object in question which I have done on previous photo submissions. What interested me was the different coloured 'nose' to the left. It reminded me of the 'robot head' also called 'datas head' in ballet crater as photographed by one of the apollo astronauts. If only these photos were coloured. In addition the darkened area gives the impression that it is reflecting light. Again interested in your observations.
It is definately white with a bit of it exposed to the light that shows up even whiter. Most is in the shadow of the outcrop. The only problem I have with this being a craft or other machine (as I know it) is that it is irregular in shape, although it could be a wreck.