Alien Anomalies

Timewarp · Dedicated to the truth

RE: Opportunity spots strange object

thewatcher · Veteran Member

OBrien wrote:

PASADENA, Calif. -- Images that NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity took at the end of an 81-meter (266-foot) drive on Sept. 16 reveal a dark rock about 31 meters (102 feet) away. The rover's science team has decided to go get a closer look at the toaster-sized rock and determine whether it is an iron meteorite.

"The dark color, rounded texture and the way it is perched on the surface all make it look like an iron meteorite," said science-team member Matt Golombek of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

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Martian bird buried up to neck in sand, left to die.

Punishment? Ritual? Food preparation?

And will the scientists actually follow up on investigating this closer? Three days of additional data and no further images from either the Pancam or the Navcam? Where's the followup? Where are the Navcam images needed to get to the "meteorite"?

Supprised that such a poor example was presented against earthly example!

Theres better around..

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TW

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

It seems you have a few more issues to address too. In this thread there are quite a few questions which you have conveniently decided to ignore.

Since you started the thread OBrien, I think you should take some responsibility to answer the questions generated by it, don't you?

OBrien · Member

One single drop wrote:

Mr. OBrien, please would you be so kind to post the URL / Id no. of the image in your post number 145.
Thank you very much.
osd

Sure, Mr. OSD. Image 1P338489667ESFAR00P2537L7M1 is available from the marsrover.nasa.gov web site at

http://marsrover.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/p/2369/1P338489667ESFAR00P2537L7M1.HTML

One single drop · Senior Member

Mr. OBrien, please would you be so kind to post the URL / Id no. of the image in your post number 145.
Thank you very much.
osd

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

Or do you think that I somehow have privileged and immedaite access to the raw, unaltered images before they're processed and released to the public? haha - yes it did cross my mind, but only briefly, and of course I dismissed it at once!

As you said yourself, it is entirely possible that some people have access to pre-released photos due to them knowing some helpful person in the right department at the right university. Most of us are not so lucky though.

Although I dont know about this image, the other images of this rock still have some nasty blacked-out shadowed areas which do not show any detail, and even at this close range, are not pin-sharp (to say the least). At the time, I found at least 5 images of this rock from various places and only one had some detail left in the shadow underneath.

We still have the issue raised by originn which has not been addressed.

1) The shapes are completely different.
The first object is flat and irregular, with large edges.
The second object's edges have different heights and one of them is unquestionably pointy. Plus it clearly has a couple of round features at the other edge.

2) The ground where they stand is absolutely different.
The fist object is in the middle of a light-ground area, both left and right form it. The dunes close to it are irregular and not uniform.
The second object is shown to be standing in a relatively dark area with light areas being relatively far from it and the dunes are extremely regular, with a uniform banding.

Timewarp · Dedicated to the truth

O'Brien, you could be right on that point. If the rover moves in closer I think we can expect to see some interesting detail. The rock called "Block Island" which was discovered by Opportunity last year produced some very interesting surface detail when examined closely. What can be seen in my avatar was found on the surface of that particular rock but did not become apparent until the image was rotated and the brightness turned down, so it's quite possible that some interesting features may be found on the surface of this new discovery.

OBrien · Member

There may be some leaks of sensitive data by insiders, or some people may have discovered access to servers that aren't as secure as they thought.

Who knows?

In the meanwhile, this chunk of rock gets more and more interesting the closer it's viewed.

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That's just spectacular. I'm sure it holds some amazing finds.

Timewarp · Dedicated to the truth

Many thanks O'Brien for your detailed reply.

I was not expecting such an in-depth response I must admit. The reason why I was puzzled is that on finding the 2368 'stiched' photo that you had posted I checked the NASA site for the images of that sol but none were available.

This raises an interesting question. How was this person called 'hortonheardawho' able to get hold of the images considering they were not available in the public domain?

Is it possible that this person has early access to privileged photographic data received from the rovers?

OBrien · Member

Timewarp wrote:

O'Brien, I found the 2368 'panoramic' image you posted interesting, but I was somewhat puzzled how you were able to post this particular image before the release of the photo data for sol 2368 into the public domain.

The link you have given only uses a Google search facility to a list of associated sites. At the top of the list is the url which I have posted above.

My apologies. I anticipated that my Google nudge to you would have given you enough information to conduct this and similar searches. Let me list in more detailed form how I provided the image.

1) I read some reports about the meteorite that said Opportunity took photos on Sol 2368.
2) I looked on the marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov site to see if they were posted. They weren't.
3) I typed "sol" and "2368" into the Google search engine.
4) When the results came back, I looked through the summaries to see if there was any indication that there might be an image associated with the link.
5) The ordering of the links returned by a Google search changes with time. At the time I did the search, I found an obvious link fifth in the rankings. As of today it was still on the first page.

The description of that last link looked promising, as did the title which has similarity to an Opportunity image file number.
6) I clicked on the link, and found that "hortonheardawho" at flickr had posted a stitched-together panorama of images from Sol 2368. Sweet!
7) I went looking through the other Google results and found that there were a couple more links, looking like the same panorama.
8) I posted the image.

Does that resolve your puzzlement?

Or do you think that I somehow have privileged and immedaite access to the raw, unaltered images before they're processed and released to the public?

Timewarp · Dedicated to the truth

O'Brien, I found the 2368 'panoramic' image you posted interesting, but I was somewhat puzzled how you were able to post this particular image before the release of the photo data for sol 2368 into the public domain.

The link you have given only uses a Google search facility to a list of associated sites. At the top of the list is the url which I have posted above.

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

O'Brien - Do you accept that it is quite 'normal' for these 'meteorites' to be in the middle of nowhere without any impact evidence?

I assume you are fairly scientifically-minded, so as a scientifically-minded person, why dont you question this? Maybe you have, and maybe you have arrived at your own conclusions. Would you care to share these conclusions with us?

We now have at least 4 'meteorites' which have been found on the rover's travels and none of them have any sign of how they appeared there. I just think it is strange how NASA can describe them as 'meteorites' and not give any explanation as to how they arrived on the surface without any damage to them or the surrounding areas.

Unless of course, they have been transported to their current position from elsewhere.

OBrien · Member

Timewarp wrote:

There's something strange going on here as at the time of posting this entry I am unable to find in the PDS data or at the link given below the image for sol 2368 that O'Brien has posted above.

http://marsrover.nasa.gov/gallery/all/opportunity.html

Those are not the only places that images can be found. Here is a web site that is very useful.

Timewarp · Dedicated to the truth

There's something strange going on here as at the time of posting this entry I am unable to find in the PDS data or at the link given below the image for sol 2368 that O'Brien has posted above.

http://marsrover.nasa.gov/gallery/all/opportunity.html

Originn · Member

My 2 cents:

This object

is inconsistent with

for many reasons.

1) The shapes are completely different.
The first object is flat and irregular, with large edges.
The second object's edges have different heights and one of them is unquestionably pointy. Plus it clearly has a couple of round features at the other edge.

2) The ground where they stand is absolutely different.
The fist object is in the middle of a light-ground area, both left and right form it. The dunes close to it are irregular and not uniform.
The second object is shown to be standing in a relatively dark area with light areas being relatively far from it and the dunes are extremely regular, with a uniform banding.

This pic (sorry for the poor graphics, i'm at work with no tools) comes into help:

In the middle of the black circle is an object which, in my humble opinion, could be the object in the second picture.
The ground feature is consistent (you can zoom the original picture at higher definition and see it yourself) with an extremely regular banding and we also have a light-ground area in the vicinity (up-right form the object in the circle) which is consistent with the light-ground area in the second picture.
Also, the rover tracks come right form that area.

To me, the rover took pictures of the object from the direction of the arrow i painted.
Then it came down its path just to take a few pictures of a rock to put us to sleep.

Hidden in plain sight!

Timewarp · Dedicated to the truth

O'Brien, do you have a reference for the image you posted above for sol 2368?

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

I find it VERY strange that these meteorites which land at high speeds do not have impact craters or any marks on the ground at all. I can see that there are rocks about this area, but you would expect to see fragments of either meteorite or rock where one hit the other.

Not only this example, but other examples found by the rover too.

Can you explain that please?

OBrien · Member

Not a bird skull after all.

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Opportunity Sol 2368

Close up of meteorite

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Opportunity Sol 2368

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

OBrien,I think you are pulling our leg. This is obviously a metal 'something' and to show us what it is would be against the current nasa thinking. I doubt very much if we will hear anything more about it. Besides, if we had decent photographs like nasa have, we could probably SEE what it was.

One single drop · Senior Member

Educational reasons OBrien ?

I doubt it will work. Better present some better images. Somebody has the capabilities to watch / observe / control / monitor the solar system to the mars orbit and somebody has images that would blow your / our mind.

Hopefully into the right direction.

I am not shure if you are aware of /know / suspect a lot or if you know / suspect nothing substantial.

Analysing the structure of your commentaries you should know / suspect a lot or be at least suspicious. So what ?

OBrien · Member

PASADENA, Calif. -- Images that NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity took at the end of an 81-meter (266-foot) drive on Sept. 16 reveal a dark rock about 31 meters (102 feet) away. The rover's science team has decided to go get a closer look at the toaster-sized rock and determine whether it is an iron meteorite.

"The dark color, rounded texture and the way it is perched on the surface all make it look like an iron meteorite," said science-team member Matt Golombek of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

---------- OR ----------

Martian bird buried up to neck in sand, left to die.

Picture 32.png

Punishment? Ritual? Food preparation?

And will the scientists actually follow up on investigating this closer? Three days of additional data and no further images from either the Pancam or the Navcam? Where's the followup? Where are the Navcam images needed to get to the "meteorite"?