Alien Anomalies

thewatcher · Veteran Member

RE: Martian Dwellings

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

TW, to the best of my knowledge this sinkhole only formed about 50 years ago.

See http://geologicalintroduction.baffl.co.uk/?cat=6

thewatcher · Veteran Member

Xenon wrote:

It does not seem feasible to build structures at the edge of a crater that is shown to have landslides, .....

Now, If there was a lake it stands to reason to live around the edge of the lake (crater edge) The smoothing of the rocks in areas around Victoria point to water erosion. Those dunes in the basin say alot more about what was going on when the lake was there .

Those lanslides, you point out are unclear.. Can you show me what you mean. There are rudamentary areas of rock fall but this crater is not very deep. the cliffs cant be more that 20 feet high. the degree of tampering is hiding the supprisingly smooth slopes.

I will look at this more closely.. I'll try to locate any rock falls of any importance. The wide MOC shots of Victoria cannot be relied on for rock slippage, as the tamperings almost complete, inside and outside the crater.

thewatcher · Veteran Member

Chandre this image is impressive but really also shows the mechanics of a sinkhole. Contrary to peoples assumptions the sinkhole isnt the large crater. That was the lake. The sink hole is smaller and in the center. It drained the lake. Judgeing by the size of the trees in the crater I'd say this happened 1000's if not 10's of 1000's years ago..
/download.spark?ID=774937&aBID=47797

The crater edge is similar to vicoria. The plot seems to be unfolding (for me ) on this. Victoria crater could have been easily a lake at some point. The sinkhole is in the center under that very very dubious , circular dune complex in the basin.

thewatcher · Veteran Member

Very very nice Chandre.. The broken crater rim with no raised area does point to this being a great possibility. It certainly isnt an impact crater or Volcano, even though volcanic activity can also cause sinkholes to appear.

Now imagine one of these under a body of water..

I think Mars is littered with these amazing geological nightmares. They can (if big enough) drain seas and lakes.

I feel Nasa couldnt admit to this due to the nature of the feature. Also Victoria crater has a rediculous amount of tampering right up to crater rim. The hazing of the rock falls is so obvious. Theres absolutely no detail revealed between between the rim and the dune filled basin.

Cheers.
TW

More dwellings to come.

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

TW

Sink holes are not only caused by drops in sea levels. In South Africa (and worldwide) you have many caused by underground mining.... biggrin

See these three images from an area called Carltonville where there have been many serious sink holes. Interesting similarities....oh, and GOLD is mined in Carltonville

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

you mean this URL I think

fruitnut1 · Dedicated to the truth

fruitnut1 wrote:

This is oppy diligently working inside the crater. Those who have followed the thread might be wondering howcome oppy made it through the rim's structures ... Also notice the jester saying hello over oppy's panels. ;)

This is the address to the corresponding hi res image

httwww.nasa.gov/images/content/209241main_Sol1332B_Lyell_ADJ_L257F-hires.jpg-hires.jpg

fruitnut1 · Dedicated to the truth

This is oppy diligently working inside the crater. Those who have followed the thread might be wondering howcome oppy made it through the rim's structures ... Also notice the jester saying hello over oppy's panels. ;)

fruitnut1 · Dedicated to the truth

Bingo watcher,

Only those are not rover tracks, those are energy field shields Well I guess you still play to the little cart on mars game ... Very good finding, deobfuscation: just superb ... just take the rover out of this and you will have a better understanding of what is going on in this Martian Mega COMPLEX! - Frutty

thewatcher · Veteran Member

Rover tracks at 9 O'clock

Picked up faint Rover tracks.. Very busy little robot evileye

More plumbing / Walk-ways? Huge structures reaching into crater ((middle bottom)

Hmm No wonder they called it Victoria crater.. They found a little more than just a hole in the ground.

Im signing out for the day.. Think Ive had my fill of Aliens.. Theres so much to do lolol.

Cheers guys..

TW

PS.. the image before this one is the target area.. Just a bit blown away and forgot to let you know.

Cheers Fruit

thewatcher · Veteran Member

12 O'clock from fruits original image of Victoria

See the huge face on the left? Paths > walk-ways cover the whole top section.. Its hard to believe we are looking down on this.

Cheers
TW

thewatcher · Veteran Member

Structure/ shelter number 2

shelter 2.jpg

lean too type structure with main visible strut..
Shades being cast under roof of structure..

TW

thewatcher · Veteran Member

Yup! Theory. Sand dunes in the central area. Lookiing at orbital image you can see an even collapse of whole area and jagged promineces. I know erosion had a hand in later centuries but itwas
a dramatic collapse. Wind patterns would be far to random to create such even breaks in cliff edges. Also no ridges, unless tapered out, if theres any i,ll find them tonight.

Even Nasa could agree with the erosion patterns around Mars show
that there were seas. Sink holes appear after sea levels drop. Check research papers on google.

Its an idea im growing on. Xenon pointed out the location being dangerous . I need to post ariel images i have. What if this was their last stance.

Cheers
TW

One single drop · Senior Member

Hi, you mean Victoria may be formed by some sort of a sink hole ?

thewatcher · Veteran Member

I understand that reasoning Xenon and racked a few brains over it.. heres the theory.. This really could be a sink hole.. there prime examples on earth that bear a passing remblance.. The lack of ridges.. almost an implosion of the area of trauma. Surface is almost broken with the speed of collapse.

The important factor is that it involves water. I cant say what those structures are but I can see mechanical design. Not sophisticated but the image shows supports. ( will be verified) Maybe the water level was much higher. The harder baked crust seems to be a safer bet to exist on . Why not live out of the wind , close to water but not in the belly of falling rocks. Being honest I dont think we can allow building regulatory common sense with safety govern alien thinking. Id send a message in a bottle.

sinkholes are important evidence that sea level was higher in the past. Sinkholes only form in areas where limestone bedrock occurs. Fossils show that Florida's limestone bedrock formed in ancient marine water environments. However, when sea level falls, the limestone becomes exposed on the land's surface. It becomes exposed to freshwater from rain, limestone will start to dissolve, forming caverns.

Image source: U.S. Geological Survey
(http://wrgis.wr.usgs.gov/docs/parks/cave/)

Fruit with regards the colour balance and not wanting to go beyond the true nature of the image. Thats never stopped you before lol .. Im sure youve tested and results maybe?? I dont think the The matt grey is nutral.. Ive supplied all comcievable image data. Ive check through and Im quite confident that colour is not an issue, detail , Structure and keeping the palette tasteful may help. But its so easily changed.

Approximate
True Color .jpg .tif
Image size: 18051 x 2384

False Color .jpg .tif
Image size: 18051 x 2384

Stereo Anaglyph .jpg .tif
Image size: 18242 x 2395

Image credit: NASA/JPL/Cornell
Image mosaicking: Cornell Pancam team
(Jim Bell)
Calibration and color rendering: CCC
and the Pancam team (Jim Bell)

Anyways theres alot more on this subject.. with Ariel hires etc.. Thanks for your thoughts Guys.. Will help me when I update ..

fruitnut1 · Dedicated to the truth

Xenon wrote:

It does not seem feasible to build structures at the edge of a crater that is shown to have landslides, but maybe all is not what it appears to be, having looked at the source image..... Here and fruitnuts enhanced image, I am interested in what viewers feel about the lines just outside the crater (above 9 oclock) that extends all around the bottom of the crater...... (inverted view)

Xenon, just to make clear I have not shown an enhanced image in this thread as of yet, just because I feel that my enhancements, are way too far from what the originals show, so I had step cautiously on this one.

I'll also spare my opinion on what you point out at 9 o'clock too, better let's wait for the viewers to get involved and start analyzing and posting their opinions. -- Frutty smile

Xenon · Administrator

It does not seem feasible to build structures at the edge of a crater that is shown to have landslides, but maybe all is not what it appears to be, having looked at the source image..... Here and fruitnuts enhanced image, I am interested in what viewers feel about the lines just outside the crater (above 9 oclock) that extends all around the bottom of the crater...... (inverted view)

thewatcher · Veteran Member

fruitnut1 wrote:
watcher, how about complementing your investigation from this aerial tampered view? this might give more insight on the rim's structures.

-- Frutty

Cheers Fruit.. I have something similar but this is a great example.. will look at this.. Thanks again

TW

fruitnut1 · Dedicated to the truth

watcher, how about complementing your investigation from this aerial tampered view? this might give more insight on the rim's structures.

-- Frutty

thewatcher · Veteran Member

What looks like some kind of big cat (mid roar) with hide stretched out behind to make up part of the roof.. head has be blown up.. Resolution bad but worth pushing on.

thewatcher · Veteran Member

fruitnut1 wrote:

just in case anybody has noticed, the structures on the rim are sliced clean simulating the horizon. -- Frutty

Fruit you said it. Most craters have ridges of some kind. This so called crater has been cut clean.. Why cause someones either modified it or it was built from scratch!

OSD.. Im big enough to admit that there are similar structures around the rim (after second look) Its just that they aint all rocks. Just watch this space in the future!

TW

thewatcher · Veteran Member

Yup fruit.. That so called horizon// think this gives a little clue.
Look at the roofing on this so called rocky crater rim. More like canvas covering.
Ropes seemed retain tension or pull over roofing??

The top edge (horizon) is actually roofing. Abit like something out of Mad Max.

If anyone thinks this is a load of crap feel free to say so.. I only have scraps with OSD cause of past history. we are best of friends really. biggrin

I value all feed back.. no matter how negative.

Cheers.

fruitnut1 · Dedicated to the truth

just in case anybody has noticed, the structures on the rim are sliced clean simulating the horizon. -- Frutty

thewatcher · Veteran Member

The location on dwellings found.

wheel house3.jpg

thewatcher · Veteran Member

Some more basic enhancements... Look at the roof!
Now can you see? An what gets better is a connection to Harrys first post on balancing rock!! To come later..

Just look at the binding.. Really Breath taking..

wheel house2.jpg

TW

thewatcher · Veteran Member

Ok.. lol.. (More slang sorry OSD)...

If your a chick.. I'll give you a big wet kiss... If your a guy a firm slap on the back.

This STIFF discussion has just pulled in more detail.. OSD in a weird way you helped. Thanks pal. You really need to look at your images. Jesus I cant believe how good they were.

Here goes..

wheel house.jpg

I used Spartan to take out that dark blob as I could see the edge of it. i wasnt sure as OSD was still in my head and I was itching to get back to the discussion. i just thought I'd better look.
Can you guys see the wheel? and part of a crank handle??
There is colour too it (nothing to do with me) Fruit that magic blue. Left arrow pointing at it.Right arrow pointing at crank..

OSD This is 100% artificial.. But just not that.. Its a mechanical winch..
Grass like structure on roof.

OSD I Really appreciate the argument, sorry discussion.. You bring the best outta me (sometimes)
We shall continue.

thewatcher · Veteran Member

A lot. Of talk OSD.
Shw me with the images in question . Diagrams. I will only understand ur double talk with images to back up ur claims. Do u know where the sun is in image? You need to do a little work to draw my attention to ur statements.

I dont understand ur theory of angle of sun in relation to structures shadow? .

Show me the similar structures u claim are around the Crater?

Is that clear enough OSD? Answer ur own statements with the proof.

Im waiting with open arms. Dont bury the questions with platitudes. Just proove ur point. Im open to a good debate with images.

I eagerly await ur words.
Lol
TW

One single drop · Senior Member

.... I have had sended the image ( detail) in the year 2008 to Mr. Skipper, but I am not interested to take any priority. If you read the explanation , why I had not published it, you`ll see, that your arguments have been answerded already : The image is a puzzle ( panorama ), it is a false colour image and depending on the angle of illumination some parts of the crater rim look artificial, other parts could look artificial too if the camera would have taken another point of view or the angle of illunmination would be different . Right angles and deep shadows together with some subtle details inside and around of the formation are remarkable, I agreee, but no ultimate proof, it could be natural or an optical illusion .
I wish the structure would be artificial, but a simple foto is no ultimate proof and I am careful in conclusions based on such a tiny amount of datas.
Kind regards

osd

PS: Sorry, but I have some difficulties to understand your english. Would it be possible for you to write in whole sentences, using no slang and express more clearly what you try to express ? Would be helpful for me and for all the members in foreign countries. Thank you very much.

thewatcher · Veteran Member

OSD ,,,,
Sure u did.. Proof of previous wprk please. Structire withstands all color info whicjh ive supplied.

Shadows at time of day?? Think hard OSD,, ur aittle out of ur depth on shadows. I,d stick to what you think you know! I'll leave u to worry where the sun is.. Heres a clue... Ur right ear..
Just make sure u check the left vertical strut shadow. Look carefully.

As for crater rim.. Lol yup ive studied the rim and im trying to understand what your saying. Nope theres no other formation that looks like this on rhe rim or id have shown it, Now put some meat on ur words and show me the simillar structures. Im sure ur keeeeen tol!

Just to let u know OSD that rocks are the main material deposited All over MArs. When they stand thin, verticle and support 3 times a roof like area, i say supports amd shelter.

Looking forward to the images of ur similar rocks and structures wirh vertical support struts. I cant wait

TW

I will have my BS meter on so behave.

One single drop · Senior Member

Hi,

worked the first time on this particular Victoria Crater image in august 2008. Decided that a certain conclusion ( ruin of some sort of building construction destroyed by an impact event for example ) is just too weak to get published. First-it is a false colour image and second-too much of a visual impression depends on the angle of illumination in the moment the image was taken.Third -there are other structures on the crater rim, looking similar, but looking more like rocks, so it is nearly impossible to decide if all formations are some sort of exposed rocks looking like artificial structures or if they are some artificial structures looking like rocks.

Victoria_Crater det.jpg

Victoria_Crater,_Cape_Verde-Mars Ausschnitt Kraterrand - I.jpg

thewatcher · Veteran Member

Too drunk to google hic! Sorry lol
Water is a great shock absorber. That crater u mentioned, is that the one that forms the east coastline of south america?

And that pesky moon. Scientist dont like the idea that ut maybe older than earth. Imagine. Being told your mother is older than your grandmother.???!!!??? LMAO
Fun and games

Im checking out for the night Fruit... Get dome rest.

fruitnut1 · Dedicated to the truth

Mars' Borealis basin, is officially the biggest impact crater in the solar system with 8,500 kilometers (5,300 miles) across! I don't know much abou it but I think such impact would have broken the planet in two, and created a moon much larger than ours.

On earth the biggest official impact crater is Sudbury crater in Ontario, Canada, which is 200-250 km in diameter. And our moon is suppposed officially to have erupted from such impact craters ... I think everything that has a round shape and a concave land shape is catalogued as an impact crater nowadays, what times to live in lol smile

== Fruit

thewatcher · Veteran Member

Hi, i think its connected with water. Mars maybe had a huge number of strikes when it was almost completely covered in water. It might explain the reason why some martian structures/ cities look like they belong underwater. Imagine being struck every decade by earth extincters or bigger. The water would eventually vaporize. Phobos has the same redish soil coloring, i wouldnt hazzard a guess that Phobos had a few titanic cousins in the past, maybe they didnt get on
. My theory always leaves me scatching my head though, where did the water come from..? I guess comets Officially? Who knows maybe the last remaing drops were tranfered to earth...

Of course this all my personal thoughts and science (smirk) will have a more plausable reason. Maybe the asteroids hated Mars lol

Cheers
TW

fruitnut1 · Dedicated to the truth

yes watcher, as a matter of fact I read this was the biggest crater on Mars some years ago, only to find later it is a dwarf compared to what they also now deem a crater ... nothing more and nothind less than the Hellas Region!.

On the other side I found this crater to be multicolored, I wish I could see the real picture ... I think the news wouldn't had stopped reporting on it since it was taken ... lol

P.S> do you know why Mars is officially full of craters (thousands of them) while in the earth there are only around 150 cataloged? The reason against the moon is that the moon is not a stage for erosion and those geological stories. But what about Mars? I've read the word erosion as many times as I open a new martian image I had never seen before. confuse

Cheers -- Fruit

thewatcher · Veteran Member

Fruit remember the worm like structures people reported seeing from cape Verde or st Marys? Well, this a close up. Its caves with supports.

The grayness around the edge of the image is the covering. We had to ne careful not to lose that info.

Notice tge colour data that comes up from a seemingly gray image. Color info can be recovered too. Of course intensity has to be guessed but i feel this pretty close by other images found on jpl site of location.

thewatcher · Veteran Member

Thought I'd share something that we enjoyed a lot.. Its a posistive find of habitation..

Full Resolution Images

Approximate
True Color .jpg .tif
Image size: 18051 x 2384

False Color .jpg .tif
Image size: 18051 x 2384

Stereo Anaglyph .jpg .tif
Image size: 18242 x 2395

Image credit: NASA/JPL/Cornell
Image mosaicking: Cornell Pancam team
(Jim Bell)
Calibration and color rendering: CCC
and the Pancam team (Jim Bell)
Image was enhanced with the services of SPARTAN Imaging

Original caption from NASA: "This image taken by the panoramic camera on the Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity shows the view of Victoria Crater from Cape Verde. Since reaching the crater on Sol 951 (September 27, 2006) Opportunity has been making its way around the rim in a clockwise direction. Victoria Crater is roughly 800 meters (one-half mile) wide - about five times wider than Endurance Crater, and 40 times as wide as Eagle crater

vicdwellingspan

The yellow rectangular box (above) is our point of attack. The orange glow is enhanced by us to show our exact focal point where we applied our Imaging system. We used the JPEG(3.322 MB) file to produce our finds.

Compelling evidence of cliff edge habitation. Not only are there cave recesses but the more intriguing structures are the support struts Holding the edges up and large mound , dry stone dyke building and entrance. We used the Hires version of image to get in close and SPARTAN imaging did the rest.

CAPEVEREDSTUDY2

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