Alien Anomalies

Eaol · Veteran Member

RE: Terraced structure on Mars

ICEMAN · Senior Member

Various planets may have nuclear functions near the surface.
Two billion years ago, a natural nuclear fission reactor formed in Africa
http://aussiethule.blogspot.com/2006/07/two-billion-years-ago-natural-nuclear.html

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

Eh...the conditions that form terrestrial planets aren't going to differ much from planet to planet.What does this mean and how does it relate to my comment above?

You were the one who was saying that my un-scientific ideas were The weird bubble idea is as flawed and rediculous as the volcanism hypothesis or the impact hypothesis, but in many cases more so, as it is almost entirely fictituous. and I have just explained that they are probably just as reasonable - if not more so - than your own hypotheses about huge electrical plasma bolts forming these structures.

Your turn.

Eaol · Veteran Member

Eh...the conditions that form terrestrial planets aren't going to differ much from planet to planet.

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

Not likely. Electrical events can explain this much better than some untested, purely hypothetical "bubble" of energy. What kind of energy, exactly? Energy is a conceptual construct to describe interactions of matter. Not a physical object (although it can be seen as a quantity). The problem is that we already have an explanation that has been confirmed plausible in laboratories, and this explanation is one of electrical discharge. The weird bubble idea is as flawed and rediculous as the volcanism hypothesis or the impact hypothesis, but in many cases more so, as it is almost entirely fictituous.

There you go again - assuming that your theories are better than anyone elses. Other environments are totally unlike ours since the gravity, atmosphere, etc is all different. It is likely too that there are many strange and wonderful things to discover which we can only imagine.

The weird bubble idea is not flawed because - if you are using similarities on Earth as your criteria (which I do not think you should, but anyway), there are plenty of examples of bubbles rising to the surface and making ripples. Not only is there methane gas bubbles in water but there is also mud pools see below for example. Not only that, but old mud pools often retain some of their original form - depending on the viscosity of the mud which may present another possible angle to this mystery.

Now, you show me structures like this on Earth which are made by electrical discharge. See - you cannot because the conditions are different. My point exactly.

Eaol · Veteran Member

1)It is a classic 'raindrop' into water kind-of image, so it maybe that the ground turned to liquid for a very short while as this phenomena was being created.

Yeah. I don't know about the liquefying part, but I wouldn't be surprised to find glassification going on around there. I don't know if this is a depression or a mound, but also, I would not be surprised if it were a mound.

2)The other alternative, as OBrien suggests, is that it may come from underneath as a 'rising bubble' of energy which burst on the surface and so released all its energy into the atmosphere leaving its surface exit point in the form we now see.

Not likely. Electrical events can explain this much better than some untested, purely hypothetical "bubble" of energy. What kind of energy, exactly? Energy is a conceptual construct to describe interactions of matter. Not a physical object (although it can be seen as a quantity). The problem is that we already have an explanation that has been confirmed plausible in laboratories, and this explanation is one of electrical discharge. The weird bubble idea is as flawed and rediculous as the volcanism hypothesis or the impact hypothesis, but in many cases more so, as it is almost entirely fictituous.

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

It is a classic 'raindrop' into water kind-of image, so it maybe that the ground turned to liquid for a very short while as this phenomena was being created.

It would take huge amount of energy, very focused and for a very short duration for it to solidify in that configuration. Whatever it was, it transferred its energy very quickly from itself to the ground for the ground to become liquid like that. (if it did turn to semi-liquid) It is difficult to imagine a beam or body that could transfer its energy that quickly and for it to dissipate that quickly too.

It is quite possible that other technologies may have been used to form planets and the features on them. Technologies which we can only dream about in sci-fi books and movies. Yes, I suppose they could be natural rather than being-made(as opposed to man-made), but I cannot help thinking that there are probably beings that go around making planets and having wars between each other with massive energy weapons which form many of the features which we cannnot explain in terms of our current science.

The other alternative, as OBrien suggests, is that it may come from underneath as a 'rising bubble' of energy which burst on the surface and so released all its energy into the atmosphere leaving its surface exit point in the form we now see.

Eaol · Veteran Member

It's an electrical discharge blister - _ - . The "spray" of material all directing toward the "crater" are expected, and similar formations have been observed in both laboratories and on other bodies in the solar system.

Timewarp · Dedicated to the truth

Is the anomaly a terraced crater or a terraced mound? I think it is the latter.

The radial markings surrounding the anomaly is where material has been excavated to form the double mound. In the image shown below there are some objects on the mound that indicate that the anomaly is rising away from the general terrain.

Also, take note of the unusual terrain. There are many lines on the surface all pointing in one direction. If you look closer, some anthropological shapes can also be seen on the anomaly and on the terrain. These shapes are artificial and indicate life activity.

There is only one other location where I have seen similar patterns on the terrain and that is the patterns surrounding the large 'black hole' close to the Arsia Mons volcano. I believe what we are seeing here is a huge city surrounding a central focal point which is the terraced anomaly.

OBrien · Member

One single drop wrote:
"Comparing the morphology of crater 2 ( its different rims) with the morphology of the structure 1 (its different rims ) : Could it be possible that structure 1 shows in fact three impact events centered into each other, instead of two, as claimed in the text explanation ?

Possible? Yes. Likely given the absence of other impacts in the area? No.

There is a man in Bosnia who claims that his house has been hit by six meteorites and that he is the target of an alien attack.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/bosnia/7899549/Man-claims-aliens-targeted-his-home-with-meteorites.html

One single drop wrote:
Would an impact structure be clearly distinguishable from an outburst structure, after erosion has gone over it for some time ? "

OBrien ?

I doubt it could be determined from a single visible spectrum photo. Underground disturbances might be detectable from images from THEMIS (IR) or SHARAD (radar).

thewatcher · Veteran Member

OBrien wrote:
Scientists unable to explain structure on Mars with multiple terraces

Hi all , been away (but looking in) Theres been a death rather too close for comfort.. so im out of the mainstream at the moment.. Just thought I'd drop this in for O'Brien.

The Octagonal primary crater edge is a feature that crops up where there is suspected activity. Interesting how this lunar crater bares a striking resemblance to the said main image.

I will be back guns blazing very soon...

Take care guys..
TW

ICEMAN · Senior Member

qmantoo wrote: Nuclear explosion - an interesting idea. Are there any similar ones on Earth to point to this conclusion?

Not than I know bud the heat on the surface would be one million degrees hot making the surface response like water.

One single drop · Senior Member

If an incoming body is scattered into pieces in the ( thin? ) atmosphere ,in the beginning the fragments are still following the velocity of its flypath parameters , at least some pieces would hit inside of a certain diameter ( in the same timeframe).

"Comparing the morphology of crater 2 ( its different rims) with the morphology of the structure 1 (its different rims ) : Could it be possible that structure 1 shows in fact three impact events centered into each other, instead of two, as claimed in the text explanation ?

Would an impact structure be clearly distinguishable from an outburst structure, after erosion has gone over it for some time ? "

OBrien ?

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

Yes, I would think (although I know nothing) the chances of two meteors landing in a near-bullseye position were definitely not likely. Coupled with this happening at least twice makes it even more unlikely, so maybe some other reason is the cause.

Nuclear explosion - an interesting idea. Are there any similar ones on Earth to point to this conclusion?

I assume the pictures with terraced craters should be seen as dips rather than bumps?

Anyone living in that area? (maybe not for the next 100+ years if it was a nuclear explosion)

ICEMAN · Senior Member

I need more information about this specific item, size and location, the reason I think this is a crater caused by nuclear explosion.

gbull · Veteran Member

looks like a smaller one at 1:00.

gbull · Veteran Member

is that an innie or an outie?

coulda happened when mars was soft?

One single drop · Senior Member

From wikidpedia."Shatter cones are rare geological features that are only known to form in the bedrock beneath meteorite impact craters or underground nuclear explosions. They are evidence that the rock has subjected to a shock with pressures in the range of 2-30 Gpa ... "

Credit: NASA/JPL/University of Arizona"What caused the central pit within this impact crater: unusual subsurface layering or a lucky second impact?"Impacts into layers of alternately strong and weak material – for example,

ice rich versus non-ice-rich – produce terracing such as that seen between the inner pit and the outer rim. Scientists have used terraced craters to estimate the thickness of lava flows on the Moon and elsewhere. Uneven sublimation and periglacial erosion of exposed ice-rich material in the interior of the crater may explain why the small central pit is slightly offset from center relative to the terrace and rim of the larger crater.

The pit in the center of the main feature could also be from a later impact crater striking inside and slightly off-center from the original. It has a raised rim, which is characteristic of impact craters and is difficult to explain with a layered target. While no ejecta from this later impact can be seen, the ejecta could have been removed by extensive periglacial modification. Additionally, the floor fill around the inner crater resembles impact ejects elsewhere at this latitude, and some of the "landslides" to the East could be flow-back of ejecta off the walls of the larger crater.

Written by: Sarah Milkovich"Acqu. Date 09. July 2010

It seems to me the radial lines going away into the landscape encircling the crater structure 1 are no reminiscents of debris fields but compression lines, the results of compression powers ( kinetic energy) accompagnying the creation of the outer first come structure, and maybe the inner ones.

" ...unusual subsurface layering or a lucky second impact? "

Another crater, a smaller one ( 2 ), seen left to the main structure ( 1 ) in the detail image , having a second impact structure inside too, is of younger age, as it is interrupting the "compression lines". Though the second impact is not centered as exactly in the middle as seen in the main crater structure (1) beneath, it needs some bundles of chance resulting in creating similar results, close to each other, during separate time frames. Similar structures , created by some similar event or process, which is itsself depending on very special conditions to happen once. So we have it here twice and close together ?

With no significant other craters in the surrounding.

It would be interesting to find out the depth of the central "hole" in the structure, where the shadow seems to go deep.

Anyway: Try to shoot a second time into the hole your first bullet has left. And reapeat the same procedure once again.

Remarks. Comparing the morphology of crater 2 ( its different rims) with the morphology of the structure 1 (its different rims ) : Could it be possible that structure 1 shows in fact three impact events centered into each other, instead of two, as claimed in the text explanation ?

Would an impact structure be clearly distinguishable from an outburst structure, after erosion has gone over it for some time ?

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_018522_2270 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatter_cone

ICEMAN · Senior Member

It is worth considering internal consistency of this object and examine the numbers on the degree scale , a scanner problem, however it is not one hundred percent stable from one task to another, ca, 1mm. error

Picture 39-messurm2.jpg

slightly sharper image

Picture 39-messurm2-sharp.jpg

fruitnut1 · Dedicated to the truth

OBrien wrote:
Scientists unable to explain structure on Mars with multiple terraces

Nothing like this has ever been seen before.

Not quite so:

According to the NASA literature accompanying the image it's just another "terraced crater"

"Impacts into layers of alternately strong and weak material – for example, ice rich versus non-ice-rich – produce terracing such as that seen between the inner pit and the outer rim. Scientists have used terraced craters to estimate the thickness of lava flows on the Moon and elsewhere. Uneven sublimation and periglacial erosion of exposed ice-rich material in the interior of the crater may explain why the small central pit is slightly offset from center relative to the terrace and rim of the larger crater."

See Bull's-Eye Impact Crater

-- Frutty

OBrien · Member

Scientists unable to explain structure on Mars with multiple terraces

Picture 39.png

Latitude 46.6 Longitude 194.9

Notice in the wide shot how the ground is covered with a spray of material centered on the structure.

Nothing like this has ever been seen before.