Alien Anomalies

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

RE: What do you think about aliens? Are they friendly?

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Iceman, the problem with the Bible is that it creates more questions than it gives answers. I am still trying to figure out the 'war in heaven' bit and I've been working on that for a decade. disbelief

ICEMAN · Senior Member

So I ask you - how do we decide if they are friendly or not - according to your (Iceman) criteria?

I see no reason here and now to find out whether aliens are friendly or not.
This is always the same question in humans Hold Or Shoot.
You say that the aliens do this and that, first prove it and then judge.
Those who claim to have been kidnap and complain are probably those who do not understand what is going on.
When we are talking about aliens jobs then there are also people like me and you young people who enjoy the life, people who are studying medical science, biology,,,. What is wrong or not depends on the objectives. I think what is happening is far away from the ideas that are up today.

To my view, people should look for answers in the Bible

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

"I think that is wrong and even rash to judge, the aliens on our own terms it is actually very tight viewpoint where one level of 3 is to use to reach a conclusion."
Yes, it could be considered rash or wrong, but how are we to form any opinion if we do not use the model that we know and have been brought up with.

We cannot hope to know anything of alien life, culture, or morals so we have to have some basis by which to base a judgement otherwise how are we to determine if they are friendly or not?

Therefor, it does not make sense to say that this is in some way wrong to use our own experience as a yardstick to judge aliens.

So I ask you - how do we decide if they are friendly or not - according to your (Iceman) criteria?

"Body parts of animals and humans can be used to improve similar species and create new one. What nature has developed through millions of years is very valuable and must not be lost."

We do not know if aliens are similar species or not. Their body may be based on silica or they may have exoskeletons and be completely unlike ours. Creating new life forms is an interesting use for body parts and reminds me of frankenstein's monster.

I am assuming you are referring to animal mutilations here, so what makes you think we will lose the cows, horses, cats, dogs which are the main victims of these mutilations? I think these species are likely to be around longer than a lot of wild animals, don't you?

There is absolutely no excuse for any rational being to kidnap a human without consent and perform experiments on them. The period 1939 - 1945 saw enough of this kind of thing to convince most people that this behaviour is totally unacceptable.

ICEMAN · Senior Member

I think that is wrong and even rash to judge, the aliens on our own terms it is actually very tight viewpoint where one level of 3 is to use to reach a conclusion.

Body parts of animals and humans can be used to improve similar species and create new one. What nature has developed through millions of years is very valuable and must not be lost.

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

WE dont have enough info. to make a reliable answer to your question. Actually, I think we do have a great deal of information to determine whether they are friendly - or not.

Of course, none of it is 'official' but we can draw conclusions based on witness accounts of encounters. Some (most) of these have instilled fear in the human and so are possibly misinterpreted as hostile, but some also have caused harm to humans by abducting them and experimenting on them. This behaviour does not appear to be benevolent in any way.

We also have witness reports of animal mutilations which are most probably NOT caused by humans because we can get animals through normal legitimate and legal channels. Aliens do not have access to these normal Earth channels of procurement.

Sanmyaku · Member

HMMmm, Are Aliens friendly? Im guessing intelligent aliens not simple life forms. hmm In my opinion we dont know. WE dont have enough info. to make a reliable answer to your question.Of course, if I had to guess and In looking at life here on Earth and how here on Earth there is all types of living beings. I would guess nature would do the same on another planet. So if I had to guess there might be all types of intelligent life from friendly to hostile, all the between range you can think of. SO they might be from not caring if we earthlings exist, or how we going to take advantage of this new naive civilization, to god like aliens. So expect the unexpected.

What do aliens think of us humans? friendly?hostile? We humans are unique, we could be friendly one minute and will do anything for you and be angels then without any good excuse (mabye to take ur land and resources) we turn into a murderous frenzy, we dont like you and we will murder you and then tell you to forgive us after we done are deed and taken what we wanted hmmm.Hopefully we are unique and we dont meet other aliens like us.

One single drop · Senior Member

I respect your believesystem. Owning has nothing to do with buying. To own something , my believesystem says, means to master it . We do not master that many things , in fact they master us and so they own us.
Information:

Please contact , taste and listen to this believesystem:

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qmantoo · Teaching the truth

Unfortunately, as soon as we start to breathe, our belief systems begin developing. It is quite impossible to leave them behind and becomming objective is definitely impossible for anyone on this planet. Computers are objective, but they are only objective as far as the programmer who programs them.

Free will is being able to choose for ourselves what action we take - whether it is a thought or an actual action in 3D. Having bodies and 'owning' them, has nothing to do with free will, has it? 'Owning' implies buying, and so far as I know, we do not buy bodies from a body shop to move around in....yet.

One single drop · Senior Member

"This is what I have had believed in this particular moment."

In my opinion, leaving behind believe systems should be our natural profession. No objectivity possible depending on some/any sort of believe. To return to our natural state , first we should start to proof the foreign believe systems inside of us, we are full of them.

There is no free will. For example the most common type of transportation system and the most advanced one on this planet are bodies. We believe we own them, in fact we cannot manufacture them, we cannot repair them, we cannot reproduce them, we cannot prevent their death, we even cannot drive them correctly. In fact they drive us.

If my believesystem would allow me to offer a recept ( for free ) to some of the driven ones, which makes drivers out of them ( free will ) would this really be a manipulation of their "free" will. ?
My current believesystem says "No."

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

But... don't we have to allow people to be themselves, to have the free will to adopt any belief system they want?

Perhaps "not having a belief system" is a kind of "belief system" itself, and perhaps we should be careful not to think that others should follow our way of "no STATIC belief system" rather that their own in which they are happily living their life?

Happiness and what is best for another person is as individual as we are. This makes ditribes like this all the more dangerous because it puts forward one way of thinking rather than acknowledging the diversity of the universal body of consciousness.

One single drop · Senior Member

Pride

What I believe... In my opinion , the opposite expression to pride is not humility. Some religious believesystems operate with pride-humility turning it against their followers , ( without explaining these two terms correctely, by the way ) as another instrument to control their heads, reactions and lifes. The opposite to pride is insight. If the opposite to pride is insight, pride is paving the way for prejudices. "I know,-already! "

The unhealthy healthcare of believesystems or "Yes, we can not ! "

Believesystems are our cages. We cannot live within them , we cannot live without them ? A human evolved out of the system of believesystems, ( which does not have to mean this person has reached absolute knowledge already ), we would not be able to perceive anymore. This being would have evolved completely out . We would not be able to communicate with her-him.

Pioneers have to be organic , not static, always ready to leave back the truth of the moment two moments ago. Real pioneers are the healthiest people on earth and the wisest. They are not afraid to loose their believesystem, `cause it would not be a loss, but a liberation. Therefore they are not forced to defend any opinion. From inside of the believesystem-system someone is be able to detect differences between certain systems, by comparison , but is not be able to evaluate the own position.

There are millions out there carrying believesystems with them on their back, like huge heavy rocks.

As said before in another discussion the police is part of the problem , not part of the solution and believesystems too are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Would it really be a cruelty to crash someones closed believesystem to bring him into a better environment ?

Those unawares following foreign agendas , busy repairing believesystems day by day that do not want to set them free, are a burden to us all. Their daily unhealthy medicine they take are dogmas, robbing from them all their natural legacies like vampyres.

This is, what I have had believed in this particular moment.

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

There are all these fast shaping opinions and pre conditions that prevent people to get to know deeper laws of life. This is what is called man's pride. Yes, I would agree with you had my opinions not been shaped by many years of experience, so In this case I would not say that they were quickly arrived at. Laws of life - well, many philosophies tell us what they think are the 'laws of life' and they are only opinions or doctorines when it comes down to it. We all have to get there ourselves to really know what is a law of life and even when we have done that, we cannot tell another person how it really is - they will have to experience the laws of life for themselves through their own energy hologram. Pride - maybe some people are too proud to admit that their beliefs are wrong, but that is what beliefs are. JUst Beliefs. It does not matter if someone holds onto their beliefs because it may be the only thing that is helping them make sense of this world. That is not pride, it is survival.

ICEMAN · Senior Member

There are all these fast shaping opinions and pre conditions that prevent people to get to know deeper laws of life. This is what is called man's pride.

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

I agree with Iceman, a race living in fear cannot be considered to be friendly.

I also agree with OSD that this is a very interesting and necessary discussion.

I imagine that gmantoo and I may enjoy a ****tail while watching the arrival of the first alien contact on 3D tv from a 'safe' location. LOL

I am the first to admit that I will not be holding a garland of flowers waving a placard saying 'Welcome".

This is based on my own personal opinions on how I believe a technologically/theologically superior race should behave and I do not believe that we have been exposed to one of those races yet.

ARP2 argues strongly for her beliefs and experiences, she has many valid points. I would like to weigh in having an intimate knowledge of Buddhism and having lived in Asia. Yes. The belief is that we reincarnate and that we 'choose' our challenges for this lifetime and work through those with chosen people. However, the basis of this is that you are fully conscious and in a sober and sound state of mind when doing it so that you achieve the life lessons associated with it. That is why and mind-altering substance is 'forbidden' by many Asian philosophies. An abduction where you are not consciously aware of what is happening and have no choice or input as to the possible outcome does not fall within this scenario. I would be of the strong opinion that you had not 'agreed' to this in this incarnation as something you are not aware of or cannot actively participate in is not part of your path or life-lessons in this incarnation.

As for aliens, I live in a country with 11 official languages and as many different tribes and cultures. I speak only two of those languages. Not a day passes that I do not feel like an alien compared to the people around me, or those that neighbour our country or are over the sea from us, Not a day passes that I do not feel like an alien to the other forms of life that share the world around me, the skies or the seas.

So, OSD in answer to your question, is every sentient/aware being not an alien to each other ?

ICEMAN · Senior Member

They are usually very busy with the work they are working at any time and don't allow any natter (unnecessary talk), but there are some (specific person or type) very petite, I think it is that people call the hybrid very small and has high frequency waves that enveloped (that waves has paralyzing power) defense, that person is very concerned about how we treat others, that person has a deep understanding of the nature of man, it also seams to know that the future will bring us..

One single drop · Senior Member

ICEMAN · Senior Member

One Single Drop ... wrote: What do you think, we are friendly .
As a one, we are fright and frightened people are never friendly.
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One single drop · Senior Member

What do you think, are we friendly ?

What you should know: Media black out about the gulf oil spill ?

What you should know:

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ICEMAN · Senior Member

Our problems are not economic in the sense that the shortage of capital in the world,

but not food shortage problem, it is the political nature of the problem and they can only be resolved with no other. If someone external are going to solve this political problem is the only way a military force. This have to our problems are not technical, they are a political, and politicians will keep us busy in obtaining life-saving for us that we have no time or energy to run defense.

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

You are right, the first contact with aliens will cloud our judgement and all others are likely to be thought of in this way. So if the first ones are not friendly, then we will consider all aliens to be unfriendly.

Aliens are only a different species of being, and 'alien' is just a word or label in our language we attach to these beings. However, it does have other meanings too.

adj.
1. Owing political allegiance to another country or government; foreign: alien residents.
2. Belonging to, characteristic of, or constituting another and very different place, society, or person; strange. See Synonyms at foreign.
3. Dissimilar, inconsistent, or opposed, as in nature: emotions alien to her temperament.
n.
1. An unnaturalized foreign resident of a country. Also called noncitizen.
2. A person from another and very different family, people, or place.
3. A person who is not included in a group; an outsider.
4. A creature from outer space: a story about an invasion of aliens.
5. Ecology An organism, especially a plant or animal, that occurs in or is naturalized in a region to which it is not native.
(http://www.thefreedictionary.com/alien)

according to these definitions, we will be aliens to them too.

One single drop · Senior Member

Hi, wish my english would be better. The question deserves some differenciating investigations. I did not talk about slaves, I talked about creators, regarding their creations rather to be a thing than a being. Just an example.
We are speculating, pro and contra. This si what it is- just speculations,. The issue is important and interesting and deserves these speculations.
The first of these lifeforms showing up on earth, maybe would form our perceiption of alien life in a static way. But it would only be one type of trillions.
Is an alien an alien for an alien?
Are we aliens for them ?

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

There appears to be at least a couple of us who feel that aliens are 'hard done by' or persecuted. How can a slave persecute a master? or to put it another way, how can a less-technically advanced civilisation be anything but at a disadvantage with respect to a more advanced civilisation? We know we are still babies where technology is concerned.

I think we all need a little reality here as far as aliens go.

Yes, it could ALL be our governments blaming everything on aliens. This is what they are good at - dis-information, smoke screens, and keeping us guessing. However, it is likely that at least SOME of the reports are correct so it is far better(and safer) to be wary of the motivation and agenda BEHIND the existence of aliens on this planet rather than have an all "lovey-dovey", "everythings fine" and "they are here to help us" attitude.

As soon as disclosure comes, it is obvious who will be the ones on this forum waving the placards "WELCOME TO PLANET EARTH" and "TAKE ME! I'M YOURS".

Although I will not be out there waving my gun instead, personally I prefer to reserve judgement and realise that a leopard does not change its spots easily.

One single drop · Senior Member

Thanks Iceman.
How would we treat them ? Vivisection ? Biological experimenting ? Nothing personal, just out of scientific curiosity.
If someone has seeded us and is growing us, this someone is convinced he owns us and may regard us as some sort of private propriety. Nothing personal. We are the stupid ones.
Consider how we are treated by our own governments, by our own brothers and sisters so to speak.

ICEMAN · Senior Member

Qmantoo wrote “ It tells us nothing about why anyone wants to be scared out of their wits by being abducted, and why often the abduction is accompanied by an inability to move (rather like being tied up, wouldn't you say?). Surgical procedures are performed and implants implanted (both for what reasons?). "

Iceman,,, First we should tray to understand how and way we handle lower live forms and if we do? It should be a good start for understanding our experience about aliens.
Ask horse about this things ans what it think about how we handle it.

One single drop · Senior Member

Homogeneity in the Universe ?

Are the patterns of social behaviour similar, no matter out of what a species evolves and no matter which physical - material conditions do determine their evolution

or are aliens aliens for aliens ?

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

All this is rather like religious people quoting the bible, time after time. It does not achieve anything except giving us quotes.

Unfortunately, nothing has been said about why anyone would want to be abducted 'for the good of humanity' or for the good of aliens.

It tells us nothing about why anyone wants to be scared out of their wits by being abducted, and why often the abduction is accompanied by an inability to move (rather like being tied up, wouldn't you say?). Surgical procedures are performed and implants implanted (both for what reasons?).

If you are an ambassador for aliens, I feel that you do them great disservice by not adressing the issues raised, and continuing to trot out unlikely reasons for abductions.

Yes, aliens may be beings too, but we all know that there are beings (of any race) that we would like to meet in a dark alley and those that we would prefer not to meet.

AliensRPeople2 · Member

Most of us do not remember our spiritual lives or contracts and we tend to separate ourselves... we consciously know we are alive in our physical state but who can recall the contracts we made in spirit?

"The fear we experience comes upon our personal first

awareness - our instinctual fear of the unknown.

This is the most difficult hurdle for us to get over,

and if we can't do it, it doesn't matter how many

introductory experiences we have, most humans just

cannot muster the willingness to conquer it, or even

the idea to try.

Without progression, the human cannot learn to

communicate or trust what the alien people have to say

and show - so contact, for most who have the

opportunity, ends, at least within their physical

awareness of it." Nancy Malacaria

"Their personal, physical contact with us is just as new

as ours with them, and not all races are adept at

working with humans on our physical level.

They are learning from our experiences as well, and

they are now all sharing their growing knowledge of us

between each other.

Those who visit are highly respected across our area of

space as the professionals of their races, but they are

not unlimited." Nancy Malacaria

"Many of the visiting races wear robes and many appear

by our beds at some time during contact.

Many of them are 'ugly' to us.

Many feel very strange to us by their natural

telepathic sensation, even eerie.

All contactees visit alien crafts and sometimes some of

them recall a little bit of it.

If this and similarly superficial awareness is all the

human has to consider for himself, he must assume he

has no choice but to defer to popular assumption and

information.

He can't recognize the motivation behind the social or

slanderous manipulation of his opinion and certainly

has no inkling of why he should try." Nancy Malacaria

"A few races have approached our governments on their

own in the past with offers of assistance for the

predicaments of our world and the suffering of

humanity, and the governments have always refused.

There is no working relationship with any Earth

leadership yet, but the organization of visiting races

is trying to build one.

The leadership of Earth is trying, so far successfully,

to prevent it." Nancy Malacaria

"Think of the propaganda that makes the public of one

country hate the public of another, so that the people

will war for their own leadership to the detriment of

the other.

If we make friends and learn better ways of life

through sharing and helping each other, that would ruin

the world ownership.

It's about money, power, knowledge, control and

progression.

The strongest leaderships of Earth depend on the

exploitation of human suffering to remain in exclusive

power.

This is our own world, and the alien races cannot take

over.

We have to change things ourselves from within.

Many things are being done in secret between certain

humans and the visiting races.

It's taking time, but it's happening more successfully

and quickly now, and soon the results will be more

openly apparent to our world.

The US Government (and other leading governments) is

creating and fueling public confusion and mistrust

about any and all alien races of people in order to

protect its own secret corrupt operations against its

own race of people and against the alien races.

The government can't stop the alien races from coming

here - the alien races belong here - the government can

only threaten the alien races with harm to the alien

people and to the individual humans who befriend them.

The alien races have to sneak in and keep encounters

secret for the most part, but they are increasing

sightings and teachings, and the general public is

quickly learning the truth now that alien life is

really visiting Earth after all.

And so the government wants the public to be as afraid

and confused as possible so that they may continue

their own operations for as long as possible and gain

as much ownership and power as possible before the

publics learn too much from the alien races and take

corruption away from the governments. " Nancy Malacaria

This IS the truth. ARP2

ICEMAN · Senior Member

If we are going to talk about how the aliens are and what they are capable of we're into the stage which is so far from reality as we experience it every day, it comes up paradoxes that make man to thinking what is virtuality, is it maybe just an idea and so on ... I have no faith that the Earth 's inhabitants are able to hold prisoners as beings are far more developed than they.

The Bible speaks of the “abyss” (chasm?) as a place, and from there was the water that caused Noah's flood.

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

We could have a whole discussion on what makes a wise man, but in this case, we do not know what experience he has of aliens or what makes him wise.

It is true, there are rumours of aliens underground, but there are also rumours of military bases underground that have aliens working in them. If there is even a smidgen of truth to these, then it is possible that they are here and working alongside some scientists and military personnel. This kind of alien, probably is not that harmful to us, it is possibly the ones who direct and control who have the evil agendas which get passed down to the workers to do the dirty work. Of course, all this is speculation and rumour unless any of us here have scaly mates and even then, it is not a good idea to generalise on the strength of one or two aquaintences.

Yes, I agree that some of the government agendas are pretty evil and we probably do not know the worst of it yet. It will all come out in the end.

One single drop · Senior Member

There are rumours going round, ( or reminiscents ) about survivors from former races or lost civilisations , once going underground and living now inside the earth, in caves or in huge hollow spaces.

Once a wise man was asked for his opinion about these races and their relationship to us: "Please tell us, are these beings hostile to the human race, we´ve heard terrifying stories about missing people and about people escaping from down there ? "

He answered: " Some of them have gone mad by the emptiness of their life, in their lonelyness and solitude, far away from the light, but none of them is be able to do you more harm than your human brother does to you, than humans do to each other."

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

Abductions are done with consent on a spiritual level. The terror arises when the experiencer begins to connect with the alien people on a more physical level. The aliens do NOT intend to scare their human contacts. It is very easy to say that consent is given on a spiritual level, but I do not agree that the 'spiritual level' would frighten the wits out of its incarnate part who has to get on with 3D life. That does not make sense.

Generally you do not hear about the incarnates who accept abduction because they have been taught all about it. The ones you do hear about, are the people who are frightened by it and who have experiments performed on them without their knowledge.

I am sorry, what you say makes no sense to me.
What does "The terror arises when the experiencer begins to connect with the alien people on a more physical level." mean? How does it make abduction any better? Any caring race would have done the groundwork before the abduction took place and so there would be no fear. For example, when you are a child, you have no fear going down to the shops with your father because you know who he is and you trust him.

How can fear benefit anyone? Abductions are called 'abductions' because they are done without consent or knowledge of the incarnate part of the being.

Aliens could easily have given us technology and medicine if they really wanted to. The government cannot stop individuals working with friendly aliens to bring out new and beneficial technology and medicines - besides, I do not believe that healing technology which involved medicines would be given to us by advanced races. They would teach us how to heal ourselves through natural energy medicine, not teach us to make more toxic chemical compounds which clog up our bodies and put more burden on our major organs(liver etc).

These are the reasons I do not believe you are talking to the right bunch of aliens. Think about it hard and consider whether they truly have our best interests at heart, because from your explanations, I would say that they do not.

AliensRPeople2 · Member

WOW One Single Drop...

AMAZING artwork!!! You are very talented! biggrin

ARP2

AliensRPeople2 · Member

Hi gmantoo:

Abductions are done with consent on a spiritual level. The terror arises when the experiencer begins to connect with the alien people on a more physical level. The aliens do NOT intend to scare their human contacts.

You may be interested in a website called "The Project at Earth" at Wiki. Just Google that title and you will find it, and the wealth of information inside it. Here is a quote from that site: "All of the races that visit Earth are working together now, and none of them are trying to take advantage of any humans any longer.

(Only a few were, but they set the precedent for the reputations of ALL visiting life in the mind of humanity, and then Earth powers perpetuated it and used it to keep the publics too afraid to befriend or trust any visiting race.)"

So the few races who abducted for their own races' purposes has stopped... however, there is continual contact going on now,which is NOT abduction, as it was agreed to prior to the individuals birth. And the contacts are for the benefit of EARTH not the alien races' benefit. What many contactees now find scary is simply the fact that they do not remember their pre birth agreements as the contacts begin to happen on a more physical level.

And also the government knows that there are no abductions done any longer by those few races but they use propaganda against the aliens now to portray ALL races in a negative way. This campaign is very effective. The government does NOT have humanities best interest at heart as they only want power and control. They do not want the alien peoples giving us medicine or technology that could help us achieve individuality and independence.

ARP2

One single drop · Senior Member

Space junk.jpg

They ( US Space Command ) call it Space Junk.

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

As for examples, you only have to google for sites about abductions. I realise that some cannot be believed, but there are too many to pass these off as the fantasies of media-whoring humans. Yes, there are some people who will make up stories, but relatively few percent.

Tell me please, how can abductions be benign if they are not done with consent?

I dont care what the reason, harm can be both physical and mental and do not kid yourself, no-one allows themselves or chooses to be abducted 'for the good of the aliens' or even if the US government say the aliens can do it.

What kind of society do you think we would live in, if we had to subject ourselves to whatever the goverment said we had to do? This is a really strange viewpoint.

One man's book, (whatever his qualifications) is hardly evidence or justification or proof. He could be a 'plant'. So could I and so could you.

AliensRPeople2 · Member

Hi Gmantoo:

You mentioned that "at least there are many circumstantial accounts of harm..."

Please give me examples......

Also please read Dr. John Mack's book about these "abductions". He relates a completely benign view, and he was a Harvard Psychiatrist. So I just gave you some other "evidence" and other "reports" of the other side of the coin....

Also, from what I understand, WE choose our lifetimes, our paths, our charts. WE choose to incarnate lifetime to lifetime and WE choose to work with or not to work with alien life, all for the benefit and betterment of ourselves and humanity as well as all universal life. Therefore, it IS something we chose.

As for "abductions", there were 2 races of grey skinned alien people that were in fact taking humans for DNA, as their race was dying out. This was done with full agreement with the US Government. However, once the Intergalactic Union discovered this, it all came to a stop in the year 2000. But NO one was harmed. The two races were told to either leave Earth or adhere to the rules and not to do this. One race agreed and the other declined, and were made to leave. But looking at it from the "abductors" point of view, they were desperate to save their peoples, and no human was harmed. Not that this excuses their behavior, but it does explain it.

So again, if we go back to the idea that all of us "chart" our lifetimes (and there is growing proof for the reality of reincarnation), and if we see humanity as a part of a Universal order, then everything begins to make sense.

Humanity does need to "grow up", and even though there is a great deal of horror in the world and madness,,, our newspapers and televisions and radios usually portray only the negative headlines and totally ignore the good part of humanity, because all the negative stuff sells... There are plenty of human heroes out there that go unrecognized each day because the murderers make the headlines.

Yes, that oil tragedy makes me sick to my stomach, and all of this for the mighty dollar! Very sad and juvenile. I don't know what will happen in regards to the oil tragedy as far as when it will be stopped. I hope its soon, for all our sakes...

And recently, despite what the media claims, there is a growing tide of good people beginning to change things and take action to do just that! They are fed up with the way things are going and are finally doing something about it... About time.. smile

ARP2

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

...and of course I respect yours. We all need convicing (at the start) that our opinions are correct for us, and if we are open-minded, then we will alter or modify those opinions later in the light of new fresh evidence.

I do not want to think that these aliens are here to harm us, so if you have any reasons why you think they are in fact benevolent, I would like to hear about them. Otherwise, it becomes more and more like a 'belief' which is not based on anything at all.

At least there are many cirumstancial accounts of harm from people who are reasonable and normal and this, for me, brings the weight of the argument down on that side of the table. I do not see any evidence at all that there are benevolent ones out there (at least on 3D earth).

One single drop · Senior Member

I repect your point of view. You are the onliest person on planet earth, who is be able to change something, to create something.

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

So please don't worry about "space invaders".... These people truly have our best interests at heart.... I have to say that there is no evidence to show that these aliens are benign, but there IS evidence (I am talking about the many, many people who have reported abductions without their consent) to the contrary. If anyone believes that aliens in general have our best interests at heart, then I am afraid they are being hoodwinked and duped by the very same ones who abduct and experiment.

Tell me this is not happening. Show me the evidence.

Whatever you say, I am afraid you cannot, firstly because that would require disclosure which would cause the brown-stuff to hit the fan, and secondly, it would cause those with a maliscious agenda to have already fulfilled it.

Although I do not think I am a doom merchant, 2012 will I believe be a turning point in the evolution of humanity and, as a race, we have a short window of time at the end of 2012, to choose individually between a positive outcome and one less so. I am not talking about a 'second coming' for any religious folk either.

One single drop · Senior Member

Hi gmantoo,

as far as I am aware of, I see humans harming humans, - me , you, the poor, the weak, the whole planet.

These humans harming us are in the spotlight visible for all of us. Their identity  is well known, their behaviour is registred, supporters and followers are named.

Turn your radio on, it does not matter, which frequency anymore, turn your television on , it does not matter which station you choose, it does not matter anymore in which country you live. The kind of government, the system does not matter anymore. The structure is the same, the masks are all the same, the splitting into three groups/ parties is everywhere the same:

Leaders ( big mouth posers, threatening murderers, seducers, onstage psychopaths ) ,

followers

and apathics.

This is my personal analyses.

Two years ago, I would not have been able to feel and to describe the simulation we live in that categorizing clear. Two years ago the mechanisms at work have already been the same as today. The mechanisms are the same, but have caused much more damage. I have changed a little bit meanwhile, I`ve grown a little bit meanwhile, grown enough to be allowed to have a look over the fence from time to time , a look into the countyside, where the real world already  IS the way it should be.
To reach that point , I have to face the situation without any excuses , I have to leave fear as much behind as possible in daily struggles and I have to pay a certain price.

Consequences: The onliest person be able to change anything, does not matter what in special, is my selv. If I do not do it, nobody will. Today , in the moment you read this, our home, our planet is facing a tremendous ecological catastrophy. The criminals are smiling, shaking hands and talking nonsense from the cameras into our heads. It would be that easy for the american army, which is the biggest force inside of the american military dictatorship, to take over and to terminate the catastrophy in the gulf in two days. In this moment the gulfstream takes the oil into the atlantic.

40 million people died during world war II. THEY call  Hitler a massmurder each day worldwide. 50 years after his death he is kept alive by certain forces, to be used as a propaganda tool, whilst the same ones are poisoning and murdering a whole planet. If noone rises and walks his personal way, takes his burden and does what has to be done, no matter what others say, nothing will be left to do, everything will be lost.

Regarding the situation we have to face on our planet - Now !- Alien Anomalies, Life on Mars, the dark side of the moon, or Is there other life in the Universe ?, do not matter at all, are just playgrounds.

Our existence as a species is not threatened from outside, it is threatened from inside of our own society by human beings living next door and everbody who is willing to listen knows their names and knows their faces.

These faces we have to face.

AliensRPeople2 · Member

Hi,

I just can't not speak on this thread any longer...

Without going into too much personal experiences, I am positive beyond ANY doubt that all alien people visiting earth are benign... friendly...

If anyone needs proof please check out the "ancient alien" proof. These people brought technology and medicine to Earth a long time ago.

There are NO alien races bent on sucking our brains out through a straw or serving us to their brethren along a side dish of coleslaw. Consider that if they had this intention, they would have done this a LONG time ago.

As for the cattle mutilations... that is done by our own government. It is DISinformation to make people think that this is the work of the alien peoples. Also it is true that some alien craft have been fired upon by govts on earth. A few have been hit. The vast majority of these craft are well aware that they are targets and are able to escape detection or simply evade the attacks.

From what I understand, there are currently 218 races of aliens visiting Earth. These "aliens" are people from away... Thats all they are... and they DO worship the same God we do, and are highly spiritual.... smile

So please don't worry about "space invaders".... These people truly have our best interests at heart....

ARP2

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

Generally, I believe the aliens here are not friendly because of the circumstancial evidence I see around me. Abductions without consent, body invasion (operations etc), animal mutilations. All these things suggest that they have no respect for our lives and so are threats to our life.

Of course, the same as anything, there maybe exceptions to this, but on a case-by-case basis, I would assume that they are not friendly and then see how they approached me for contact and whether it was respectful, manipulating, and controlling or not.

I think the ones who are here have agendas that do not serve humans but only serve themselves. The ones who are living amongst us and behave like society demands I would probably assume that they are friendly - or at least as friendly as the next human.

If you disagree with this assessment, show me evidence of physical 3D aliens who are NOT anti-humans, because all the evidence so far is to the opposite.

ICEMAN · Senior Member

One single drop..., wrorte:

Peter: "Where are they?"
Reiner: "They are on the moon, on the dark side."
Peter: "Why are they there? ".

OSD... you are wonderful
Iceman?

ICEMAN · Senior Member

Sorry if I have offend someone. I'm talking about people calling aliens: murder, ravage, thieves. Who should have a profit of such ideas?... I normally do not talk about things I don't want to. I have no interest for telling stories about alien contacts because nobody can believe if he has ho experience of it.

People telling stories about their friends??? I'm here to say what I have to say, not to say something to make someone like me. (what I say or do)

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

In answer to your question 'Do they like us'. No, I doubt that they could like us. aww

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Iceman, you have the right to privacy. You do not have to talk about anything you do not want to. If you want to share your thoughts and experiences we are open to listen to them. There are as many truths as there are humans on this planet.

ICEMAN · Senior Member

OSD... Yes, I have to comment on this because people are talking and saying things they don't know about. I don't want to talk about this bud I have to.

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

If anyone (Iceman?) has firsthand experience then maybe they/he ask what the glyphs are in the desert that Skipper reported on some time ago? I am sure we would all be interested to know something of their alphabet/writing system.

One single drop · Senior Member

Hello Iceman,

"First hand facts" means , you are describing your own experiences ?

Best regards
osd