"something" is definately there...I have a strong feeling that there is an operation out of space command or another entitity that is activy exploring;/militizing our plaent aned others to remove to burden of quarentien on Earth. I feel that we are only tgiven slight glismpesof death and deserts while most of these rocky plaents in our own solar system are habitable.
The area you are referencing is not the same area as the image I posted. Coordinates for my image are listed below on a previous post. I agree the other image is not a spaceship, but that doesn't explain the image AS-17-150-23085.
Yes, I dont think it is either. Well done for finding that. I have seen this space ship discussed before, so it is good to get a much better image of it.
However, the other upside-down U space port on the left side of that crater shown further up in this thread looks quite convincing. That could easily be evidence of aliens living there.
Have we established the coordinates of this area or the names of the craters yet.
Is this the craft you are referring to which can be seen to the left of the image?
This is a crop from a panoramic image strip. Besides the 'ship' anomaly there are also many other interesting surface objects to observe in this view and some of the other panoramic views.
Here is my take on the anomalies that are most prominent in the first section of the image strip for AS17-150-23087.
If Firsov crater, which I believe is the lower crater, is 51km diameter, this dimension gives an idea as to the size of the 'crashed spacecraft' and some of the more noticeable anomalies.
Dave showed many anomalies in the image he posted but there are many more.
Whoever is resident on the moon has obviously been there a very long time!
My suspicions direct me to feel that as many anthropological shapes can also be observed that the ancestors of the current inhabitants probably came from Mars.
Do any members have any views on this possibility?
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In the reference information the crater quoted is 'Firsov', but I believe the large anomaly which appears to be a crashed spacecraft is located in the crater called 'Lobachevskiy'.
Can anyone verify the location of where the anomaly is located?
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Qmantoo only after seeing timewarp's updated pics did I notice more areas, so my intention was not to be mysterious. As for me cirlcing so many areas I may have gone a bit overboard and on that note lesson learned my friend.
I have a friend who likes to be 'mysterious' and it is difficult to get any information out of him at all. The point I am making is that if you are going to play 'being mysterious' with us, it helps to tell us afterwards what it is we are supposed to see and to highlight the areas that you have seen.
In the past, I have also thought that there were artificial lights in a lot of moon photographs. Smallish areas of light-coloured ground which I did not think could be explained away as reflection or highly reflective rock as we are supposed to believe is being shown.
Dave, I am not sure that a lot of your circled areas are anything out of the ordinary, but they might be I suppose.
It helps to only circle or highlight to us the ones which you think are anomalous. This is because anyone (casual visitors to the forum) who is sitting on the edge will look at the normal craters and think that you have identified everything as anomalous. I am sure you do not mean to do this, but it would make them want to dismiss the whole issue as bunkum.
Nice work on the pics timewarp, my only disagreement is where you said just one thing. I just circled some of the areas that standout to me. Some may be "natural" but no way can they all be explained away as "rocks". And yes someone definitely left the lights on question is who??
-- Edited by Chandre on Tuesday 2nd of November 2010 02:35:58 PM
What I referred to as being 'quite remarkable' is the fact that the original image was captured using colour film. The impression one gets when first viewing the download is that the image is in black and white. I noticed that there was a hint of colour showing, so decided to increase the saturation by one hundred percent. This adjustment has allowed for more surface anomalies and shapes to be identified.
One object of interest spotted is near the center of the large crater where the main anomaly is located. It has semi-circular form and may have been the other end of the craft, in which case it is possible that at one time the whole craft straddled the rim to the center of the crater but over time a major section of the craft may have disintegrated. There is also the possibility that parts of the craft may have been recycled by the travellers. . I will post some images later pointing to some of the other anomalies of interest.
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Really interesting find Dave and nice work on the images and info everyone.
This is my contribution and it looks like a metallic structure casting a shadow is part of the structure as well as what looks like pipes leading to and from the anomaly
-- Edited by Chandre on Saturday 30th of October 2010 06:13:57 PM
qmantoo wrote: "Have you ANY idea how many radio frequencies there are?"
Yes I do, but the majority of signals you are referring to are terrestrially generated. What I am talking about here is the monitoring of any RF signals that are being emitted directly from one source - the Moon. In other words the antenna used here would have to be directional, multi-band and have a high gain.
I would be interested to know if any amateur radio enthusiast has ever tried, as an experiment, to check and see if any RF signals are being generated from unknown sources on the Moon.
The SETI project is only interested in receiving signals from the depths of space, not signals that may be present from a source just down the road, so to speak.
qmantoo wrote: "But, would they tell us if they found anything?"
They probably wouldn't. (One possible reason - such knowledge may be too close for comfort.)
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goggog: there are pdf files which describe the data etc here and I believe that if you google for it, there are probably viewing software as well as this one they say to use here
A good test to determine if there is a presence there would be to scan all radio frequencies using suitable antenna to see if any signals are being emitted. Are there any Radio Hams out there who could help?Have you ANY idea how many radio frequencies there are? There are millions and millions and then the signals can be hidden by different processes and so it would be pure absolute chance if you came across a signal from outer space that looked as if it came from aliens. That is what SETI is for. But, would they tell us if they found anything? (Que the Close Encounters of the Third KInd or Contact music...)
My apologies everyone, the image I posted above is not of this location but the image below is. Whatever the large anomaly is it is similar to the anomaly that can be seen in the above image.
Could the large anomaly possibly be a docking port for a large spacecraft?
The image posted below is a direct crop from the hi-res jpeg (AS17-150-23085).
You will probably notice that there many other interest features showing that give the viewer the impression a large civilization may be in residence. Many structures are apparent and my personal opinion is that whoever is resident on the Moon has probably been there a very long time.
A good test to determine if there is a presence there would be to scan all radio frequencies using suitable antenna to see if any signals are being emitted. Are there any Radio Hams out there who could help?
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I am not sure if that is the same crater I have cropped the "ship" area and this entire frame is literally covered with anomolies I just highlighted a few.
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-- Edited by Chandre on Saturday 30th of October 2010 05:59:03 PM
Is this the craft you are referring to which can be seen to the left of the image?
This is a crop from a panoramic image strip. Besides the 'ship' anomaly there are also many other interesting surface objects to observe in this view and some of the other panoramic views.
Orbital photographs of swirls, made during the Apollo project
Research: Danny Caes
- The Swirl field at 2° North/ 115° East, between craters Abul Wafa and Firsov (LAC 65, page 130 in B.Bussey's and P.Spudis's Clementine atlas of the Moon): AS10-30-4365 (source: Project Apollo Archive, Kipp Teague).
- The Swirl field between Firsov, Katchalsky, and Viviani (LAC 65, page 130 in B.Bussey's and P.Spudis' Clementine atlas of the Moon): Apollo 16 Hasselblad photograph: AS16-118-18898 Apollo 17's Itek-panoramic photographs: AS17-P-2079 (Revolution 14, Forward Facing Camera). AS17-P-2081 (Revolution 14, Forward Facing Camera). AS17-P-2084 (Revolution 14, Aft Facing Camera). AS17-P-2086 (Revolution 14, Aft Facing Camera).
Been checking further and confirm this is the location...
Image data.. Image Collection: 70mm Hasselblad Mission: 10 Magazine: 30 Magazine Letter: Q Latitude / Longitude: 5° N / 115° E Description: UNNAMED CRATER BETWEEN KING AND OSTWALD Film Type: 3400 Film Width: 70 mm Film Color: black & white Feature(s): KING AREA OSTWALD AREA
Interesting thread... I think I recognize the location (forgive me if im wrong). AS10-30-4365 gives a close look at one of the marked out areas. We've been working in this area for a round a year and have uncovered some pretty interesting structures / craters.
The area of interest is a hidden (partially). The structure is HIGHLY unusual. Structures can be seen pouring over the edge etc.
Anyways thought I'd put this up..
Unfortunately I see no crashed ships at the moment but I feel a lack of a closer image until now may cause a little confusion on interpretation.
Dave, there does not appear to be any better images from the AS17-150 cassette of film or of this image than the link you gave. Do you or anyone else have any links to better data please?
I can find this which gives images for 149 and 151/152 etc but 150 is missing? Even after 40+ years, it is still missing, I wonder why there are still quite a few from this mission which not available?
I can't say for 100% it is a spaceship, I know it is definitely something or NASA would not have tried to hide it. I also know the moon is literally covered in anomolous structures, but it could possibly be a piece of machinery or other device.
Was watching Moon Rising on you tube and caught this one. Some say this is a crashed space ship and I was curious to what others thought. NASA conveniently posted the picture upside down so I flipped it and may a few adjustments. The "ship" is the middle red square on the edge of the crater the other areas are a raised platform on the upper left and another funny looking area on the lower right. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS17-150-23085 (Source)
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-- Edited by Chandre on Friday 29th of October 2010 03:16:11 PM