I forgot the link to the page in which the photograph appeared:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7140

-- Frutty

Mighty HyperTerrains Vol. 2 - Advanced Applications

In a 2-dimensional image, what else can give us an impression of depth. The image giving us a sense of depth, does so only because it tricks our brains into thinking this from a 2-dimensional picture on a piece of paper(or screen). I know what you mean, it looks 'flat'.

NASA Uses LightWave 3D(2)

Source: http://stage.2-pop.com/VFXPro/News/article/69946

By Staff, February 2, 2004 .tabber{display:none;} email print ShareThis rss NewTek Inc. announced that LightWave 3D was used to visualize the journey and landing of NASA's Mars Exploration Rovers (MER), Spirit and Opportunity, in animations created by digital artist Daniel Maas, of Maas Digital, LLC., under the guidance of Principal Investigator Prof. Steve Squyres at Cornell University. LightWave is also being used by Zareh Gorjian, a member of technical staff at JPL, to create new images and animations to illustrate the current status of the vehicles on the surface of Mars, including a 3D anaglyph, by combining Maas' 3D model of a Rover with actual data received from Spirit. Dr. Eric M. De Jong at Jet Propulsion Laboratories (JPL) is overseeing that work. Daniel Maas began work on visualizing Mars missions for NASA in 1998, using LightWave in combination with other applications, including custom plug-ins for physical simulations that were not available natively in LightWave at the time. "Most 3D elements in the video were modeled, animated, and rendered with LightWave 3D," said Maas. "Everything in the video is as accurate as possible to the real mission. I created an excruciatingly-detailed digital model of the Mars rovers based on blueprints from NASA/JPL. The model includes virtually everything on the real rovers down to every last nut, bolt and wire. I created similar models of the Boeing Delta II rocket that sends the rovers to Mars." At NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratories, 3D animator Zareh Gorjian has been using LightWave 3D to create animations and stills to illustrate missions and concepts for about eight years. "I've made animations and stills for the Galileo, Mars Pathfinder, Mars Odyssey and the current MER (Mars Exploration Rovers) missions in addition to many other smaller missions and proposals," said Gorjian . "Most of my animations are space-based, but I've done a few having to do with water and underwater scenarios. These days I usually render my animations at HDTV resolution (1920x1080) and sometimes in stereo HDTV, suitable for viewing with liquid crystal stereo glasses." Videos of the MER mission animations can be viewed at: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html http://www.maasdigital.com/gallery.html Stills of the MER missions can be viewed at: http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpegMod/PIA05137_modest.jpg http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpegMod/PIA05136_modest.jpg http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/targetFamily/Mars Animation and Image Credit: NASA/JPL/Cornell Animation generated by Daniel Maas, Maas Digital, LLC. Directed by Dr. Stephen Squyres Additional animations and stills by Zareh Gorjian Directed by Dr. Eric M. De Jong Rover and Lander Model by Daniel Maas, Maas Digital, LLC. The PBS NOVA special "Mars Dead or Alive", which includes 6 minutes of new animation related to the MER missions, created by Daniel Maas, can be viewed at: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/mars/program.html

You may not know it, but fractals, like the air you breathe, are all around you. Their irregular, repeating shapes are found in cloud formations and tree limbs, in stalks of broccoli and craggy mountain ranges, even in the rhythm of the human heart. In this film, NOVA takes viewers on a fascinating quest with a group of maverick mathematicians determined to decipher the rules that govern fractal geometry.

For centuries, fractal-like irregular shapes were considered beyond the boundaries of mathematical understanding. Now, mathematicians have finally begun mapping this uncharted territory. Their remarkable findings are deepening our understanding of nature and stimulating a new wave of scientific, medical, and artistic innovation stretching from the ecology of the rain forest to fashion design. The documentary highlights a host of filmmakers, fashion designers, physicians, and researchers who are using fractal geometry to innovate and inspire.

 

Ref: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/hunting-hidden-dimension.html

 

-- Frutty

qmantoo although it would not appear that way I have been profoundly struck by this find and the implications therefrom.

I though by studying the fractals I had discovered constructions and my mind ran amuck imagining all those things were there.

Now I am back to the egg. I know nothing about Mars (except maybe from old books by Percival Lowell), and the 1924 signals from mars.

However the dream of the turtles will carry on. I'll step out of the bus, but this has been a very interesting experience which force my graphic skills to the limit.

Thanks  everybody for everything

-- Frutty.

I was not the first to realize this!

http://www.fractalforums.com/fractals-in-nature/fractals-form-mars/


I feel I have been taken in  ... again


-- Frutty

How to generate craters, planets, oceans etc ... nothing more and nothing less than by Cornell University

This project was written under the instruction of professor Bruce Land.

http://www.nbb.cornell.edu/neurobio/land/OldStudentProjects/cs490-94to95/nell/doc/doc.html

-- Frutty

I am not shouting nothing. My previous options leave an open alternative for Mars landscapes beeing something out of the ordinary, according to the visual evidence presented so far.

Yes gmantoo. You are right. Fractals are infinitely zoomable for example in Mathlab (a software that allows realising graphical math artifacts). Not when a fractally generated landscape’s snapshot is saved.

Once you save it in jpg, png, PDS or any other format it won’t be zoomable anymore.

How many anomalies have we spotted in this forum? Is there a count on that? All of them contain rectangles squares ovals, pentagons, star shaped anomalies etc.

That’s why zooming in every image of Mars gives you headaches. They don’t make sense because they are fractally generated (or natural fractals)

For those who are not familiar with fractals I’d recommend this site that has some fractals background as well as graphics of fractally generated landscapes


http://www.miqel.com/fractals_math_patterns/visual-math-natural-fractals.html

I think I'll refrain from showing the experiment qmantoo suggests. That can be made by anywone that is interested in what we are discussing here.

Even if it can be prooved, nobody would accept they have been finding anomalies in computer fractally generated images (or a fractal planet) for years .

-- Frutty

Elaborating further.


This is goggog's image posted on thread Anonymous Anomalies From Goggog on Fri Oct 22 14:41:31 2010 Original, harpened, stretched colors



So in the previous image all the "objects coalesce into a single bulk of seemingly symbiotic objects mess. So this could point to either …

a) It being a computer fractally generated landscape or

b) The martian landscape is of a fractal nature, something not seen here on earth in our daily life. One thing are ferns being fractal in nature. Clouds likewise etc. And another ferns, clouds, horses, humans and every object obeying a fractal equation from the same Mandelbrot fractal set.

Question: what would somebody think if they found something similar to this in
their backyard? I would immediately call the press.

-- Frutty

Watcher, this is a neat example as you are very familiar with it, as you were the discoverer of the insignia in the payson panorama's object in lower left corner, remember? Well this landscape is fractal too. Look!

- Frutty

fruitnut1 wrote:

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Watcher you are deviating from the main point.

I think gmantoo knows better what we are talking about here, accordig to the visual evidence.

-- Frutty

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lol Fruit.. Take a deep breath .. My posts (when u check) react to a point within the thread.   initial post responds to pixelation.

That expands .. you introduce the dune problem.. and im responding in kind..

You say
Watcher you cannot tell the difference between computer fractally generated dunes, as you call them, and the ones you perceive as natural.

Fractals are the magic of math being able to con our eyes.

Explain clearly what you mean by fractaly generated dunes as my paste from wiki does agree with this.  You use the term fractal and ive got that by the throat.. Explain Fruit as its a term others need to understand.

And finally what are you saying here?
Watcher you are deviating from the main point.

I think gmantoo knows better what we are talking about here, accordig to the visual evidence.

-- Frutty
What  Is the main point?
That pixelation occurs from image link u submitted when you applied ur imaging process?
Volcanoes, imapact craters etc are a conspiracy?
Fractals are artificially generated in the center of Victoria crater?

Whose deviating from the main point or am I trying to keep up with the points in question brought up by you.

As for Gmantoo and imaging .. i judge  by what you paste up.. thats all we have.. 

TW

Watcher you are deviating from the main point.

I think gmantoo knows better what we are talking about here, accordig to the visual evidence.

-- Frutty

By the way watcher the dunes (as you like to refer to them)  that you say look natural, to my eyes don't look that natural at all. And I mean At all ...

-- Frutty

Nice.. Fruit.. Heres a closer look from your source file.



On closer inpection the dunes look pretty genuine.. I think the featureless surround seems to present the central core as a more prominant feature.

Reminds me of this image.



Notice the central raised dome area.. (dunes) But of course soemthing else is going on..


I like ur theory.

Cheers
TW

Watcher, craters, volcanos and dunes are part of the sham.

What I am trying to analyze here is the structure of the images. The main pont is: Is Mars landscape (or planet Mars for that matter) a big natural gigantic fractal ...

Or all those images so  many have spent years looking and zooming on are computer fractally generated ?


-- Frutty

Fractal core at victoria crater ... better resolution ...




-- Frutty

Hey Fruity.. Even happier to see u pushing the envelope (keep on going kid )
Just submitting final graphic..


Ya the the structural patterns are interesting. You beat me too it. But have you noticed the cratering around Victoria? Impact and some volcanic but the bigger question is that there isnt any in the crater itself! HMMMM water me thinks.

fruitnut1 wrote:

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You are right, though the compression artifacts only give us a summary hint of what’s underneath. There are geometrical rectangles all over the area.

In previous studies of these images I understood them as cities. Now I am not quite sure.

Derived from high res image at

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Victoria_crater_from_HiRise.jpg

(4,045 × 5,085 pixels, file size: 3.03 MB, MIME type: image/jpeg)


-- Frutty

 

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Hey guys.. Just thought i'd help out here..  Your image (fruit) is too big. Take image down to around 1mb Res the process in smaller areas.. .

I avoid treating hires images (as a whole) straight off the bat. What you   need to take into consideration that the pixels are much smaller (in ur case) Most probably a closer cousin to a tiff file. My example is very rough but as u can see pixelation not present. Remember less sometimes gives more.

Cheers

TW

You have to remember these are jpg images and as such, are compressed and have compression artifacts which are often square or at least regular-shaped. Try and find a tiff or lossless image and check that for these square shapes.

You might remember this picture we discussed recently, purportedly showing the Opportunity Rover, stationed next to Victoria Crater On Mars.

Fractals conspicuously show all   over

Also the Victoria crater RIm has a squarish shape to it, contrary to the most well known pictures of the famous crater on Mars


-- Frutty

I had never considered this and it is an interesting idea.

Looking at the website, there are lots of examples of fractals in nature and some other good examples of fractally-generated natural scenes. I wonder if it would be possible to detect a fractally-generated scene? But then we are getting into pattern recognition which is a tricky and complicated mathematical area. I know there are some examples of duplicated rocks and stars etc which have been posted on the internet. Whether this is just humans tampering or whether it is software generated, we will probably never know.