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and what might that long thing be?

looks like it might be a bit too heavy to be wind blown unless it was a dried leaf or something like that.

or are you suggesting that that is the photoshop part?

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OK, so MA, do you think that it is the wind which cleans the rovers panels?
Do you also think that the "timely gust of Martian wind" cleans the lumpy rocks and flat rocks too?

I have already said that there are images of both clean and dirty panels and you have shown examples, but you have not said what you think may be the cause of this dirty/clean cycling of the panels in the rover images.

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I also find it interesting that this dusty image is Photoshopped as well as the standard processing. Original photo if you want to check it.

Now, why would they want to do that I wonder? 

 



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Here is an example of clean panels and 'dust' covered panels - Spirit rover. 

NASA's Spirit rover has accumulated a lot of dust during four years of exploring Mars, especially following last year's dust storms. Only about one-third of incoming sunlight is able to penetrate dust on the rover's solar panels to be converted to electricity. As a result, Spirit is experiencing the lowest energy levels to date and accumulating a backlog of data waiting to be transmitted to Earth. The only available cleaning agent would be a timely gust of Martian wind!

http://marsrover.nasa.gov/spotlight/20080420_Spirit.html

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You appear to forget that it is not just the Rovers solar panels where we do not see much dust. The images of the ground are often fairly dirt-free and this is particularly obvious on the flat rocks that you mentioned near the top of the thread. Apart from the obvious tampering dirt-like textures, there are real occasional areas of dirt buildup next to rocks on the ground, but after all these millions of years of nothing but wind in a thin atmosphere, wouldn't you think there would be rocks covered in dirt all over the place? 

I have seen rover panels with brown dirt on them but not many lumpy rocks (as opposed to flat ones) have much dust on top of them on their horizontal surfaces. Now, our rovers have only been there for a few years, well multiply that by a few million and I would have expected a bit more build-up than we see on the top of the Martian rocks both flat and lumpy ones.



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1)Dust is made up of all kinds of things, bits of clothing, bits of skin, car exhaust, soot from diesel engines, bits of dirt, all different sizes, weights, etc some able to hold more charge than others, etc etc. 

Well, in this instance I was referring to dirt, like in soil/sand.



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It might have to do with static electricity, but I don't know yet.You would be every housewife's dream if you could develop a stay-clean horizontal surface. You would be rich beyond your wildest dreams.

Dust, that is electrostatically charged gets repelled away from flat surfaces and settles eventually on the floor. But wait! what if the floor itself is repelling the dust? Does this mean that there will be no dust settling anywhere??? Perhaps it would continue to be blown about in the air and then get into our lungs and then what?

No, I think this is a nice idea, but not practical unfortunately.

Dust is made up of all kinds of things, bits of clothing, bits of skin, car exhaust, soot from diesel engines, bits of dirt, all different sizes, weights, etc some able to hold more charge than others, etc etc. 



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1)This suggest that you know how it becoms clean. Do you?

Technically, nothing is ever certain.  But I do have an idea.  I just need to do a bit more research.  It might have to do with static electricity, but I don't know yet.

2)I guess this is just another item we need to mark down for future explanations - which will never come. 

Well, don't lose hope.  At the moment, though, I would say you are probably correct in this point.  For the moment.

3)In other places on the internet there are reports that we have a secret space mission where all the black project money goes and some say the technology is actually far far in advance of what is shown to the public. 

It is certainly plausible, at least with what I have seen, which I will admit isn't much.  Far, far in advance?  Sure.  Public?  Go figure it out yourself.  In this case, it's certainly related to the weaponization of space, but the degree to which I don't know.

4)There is evidence that the space shuttles and Russian unmanned tugs take up way more provisions than is needed for a 5 man crew of the ISS, and they stay up in space long enough to go to the Moon and back - if that was what was needed..

If you can message me with some links to sources, I would be more than happy to give my view on the matter.



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HINT: Rain wouldn't clean it up that well. Regular wind wouldn't, either. This suggest that you know how it becoms clean. Do you?

There has been "wild speculation" on here that the Rovers are not really there at all or the photos are modified to place the parts of the rover in them to keep up the illusion that we have sent rovers to Mars.

You know how Google sends a car/van around the country taking images of streets in towns and cities so that it can show these on Google street views... well...maybe this is the same, and they paid someone to go around being a Rover taking snap shots of Mars. We already know there are beings living and working there, we already know there is water, vegitation, etc.

In other places on the internet there are reports that we have a secret space mission where all the black project money goes and some say the technology is actually far far in advance of what is shown to the public. There is evidence that the space shuttles and Russian unmanned tugs take up way more provisions than is needed for a 5 man crew of the ISS, and they stay up in space long enough to go to the Moon and back - if that was what was needed..

I guess this is just another item we need to mark down for future explanations - which will never come.

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HINT: Rain wouldn't clean it up that well.  Regular wind wouldn't, either.



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Probably the problem dares a simple shake-up at movement. At analyses we should remember that we haven't enough representation about Martian gravitation, about factor a substance friction on Mars, about fluidity of substance on Mars and about other trifles anyhow influencing occurring processes



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[blink]Pondering...[/blink]

OK, but... why are there some pictures which look really dirty and dusty and some - both before and afterwards, which show a cleaned-up rover solar panel. Maybe we have a lucky fairy (Martian) who comes along and washes the solar panels when they get too dirty?

Really, for anyone involved in the MERs to say they dont know, is probably a load of old balooney, because there is far more they DO know than they like to admit.

It could be rain, but we have been told there is no rain. Admitting it is rain leads to all kinds of other questions which they dont want us to think of.
It could be wind, but there is not much evidence of cleansing winds either.
What else could it be?
Basically, until NASA come clean(like the pun?) with the real truthful information we will never know.

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1)It's those little dust devils again. They have been secretly dusting the solar panels 'cos they like to have things clean....

I'm not going to be around much, so I may not reply to messages a lot.  But I just wanted to say that the people who come up with these explanations really do not know themselves why the rovers stay so clean.  I didn't read this whole topic, so forgive me for being off-topic.  Just wanted to put that out there for you to ponder.



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It's those little dust devils again. They have been secretly dusting the solar panels 'cos they like to have things clean....

Yes, no-one has ever explained that to my satisfaction.
If the outside of the lens covers which are made of some slice of mineral, were coated with super-non-stick anti-rain-marks chemical, I can understand it. However, on the horizontal, the rovers solar panels are bound to get dusty and dirty - even if the wind blows them "clean". (which I dont believe it does)

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This opp rover nav cam took sol2556 image *notice how clean the solar panels are after all of these orbits.  

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from oppy's nav cam sol 2364 no

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Your are right Level. This is a very big complex!  smile

Sorry if I ate up a little of Oppy's composite no


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Wow fruity that is pretty neat.  They've been hiding something in the far off background for quite a while.  Look at this one from oppy's nav cam sol 2358 the entire background is messed up.oppy nav 2358 2.jpg
Or how about this on one from oppy's nav cam sol 2364.  The red circle is something in the air and blue looks smeered to me.  Maybe you could put these through the same prossess.  And thanks for the info OBrien,  I did not know that.  All I was saying is how useless those are for the type of research I do.  I'm sure they are helpfull for them. oppy nav 2364 circled.jpg
O yeah this is the one everyone thought looked like a birds head out there in the top center.  Probably a meteorite.  I think oppy moved in and took closer pics.

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Yeah, Ive noticed the same thing. I have not seen or heard any reason why.  I always think it's to hide something that's why I always look at those kind of pictures closer.  For quite awhile they have been blurring out the mountains in the far back ground and even cropping the skyline in some of the photos.  The Nav Cam has been pretty lame too.  Don't you just love it when they put up some "new" pictures and go you there and all of them are fuzzy circles of light.  Why would they even waist their time?  Or ours for that matter?  Anyway, here is one from the 2379 pan cam that I thought was fun.  I think it shows some kind of weird martain animal.  Far fetched I know, and maybe not everyone will agree, I just thought it was cool. oppy pan cam 2379 circle squared.jpgoppy pan cam 2379 crop (2).jpg

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What I see in this picture too, are rectangular areas and walls and embankments. Can you post the URL please?

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Levelwind wrote:
Don't you just love it when they put up some "new" pictures and go you there and all of them are fuzzy circles of light.  Why would they even waist their time?


Those are photographs of the sun, taken through a special solar filter. Notice that all the images of that type are taken with the left Pancam filter #8, and no other images are taken with that filter.

The images are an important part of knowing what the opacity of the atmosphere is by measuring the brightness of the image. (Although on the marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov web site, as has been noted many, many times before, the images are all contrast stretched. They will all look the same intensity. During the large dust storms between sols 1200-1300 the opacity was so high that the intensity dropped more that 99% and in some cases the sun could not be seen.)

 



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I could successfully retrieve the approx. detail from the sanded out portions. Some distortion occurs as I used the “ink outline” filter to bring out the detail but the landscape is astounding! doh

Thanks Levelwind.


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By the way guys do you think that the furrow across the picture at the bottom of the photograph could be a highway? It looks like one to me! smile

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CITY ON MARS


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The picture above (an excerpt from the upper part of levelwinds' enhanced pic) displays what in my humble opinion could only account for a city on Mars.  biggrin

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