Alien Anomalies

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

RE: Anthropology of the Mars/Planet X Theory

gbull · Veteran Member

i always thought the a-belt was a planet also, long time back(for me) lol.

i had arrived at that because of the way i learned how systems were formed.

i couldn't see how jupiter's gravity would stop a planet from coming together.

i'm not too sure mars would have been a satellite but i am no expert on anything space.

what's weird is that something seems to have messed up our system.

whether it was a single event or recurring, i don't know.

uranus seems to have been knocked over, the a-belt, mars scars, venus spinning the wrong way.

welcome to the forum cerrone, you brought alot of questions in your post.

thewatcher · Veteran Member

MY SUMMARY on my thoughts..
You select a portion out f context (why am i not supprised).

My FULL though brief Summary (Thoughts ) on subject at end of post!

To summarise.. There most probably was a PlanetX in the said location. If it was still there today we most certainly would be in a very different orbit or maybe not here at all.! I guess we may have come off better in the the never ending game of galactic billiards.

This a personal opinion after posting conventional scientific info!

Obrien
There's much quantitative evidence to support the theory that the asteroid belt is pre-planetary, not post-planetary.

... Yes and so? Not disputing that. The solar system had 4.6 - 5 billion years to deal with these rocks and theyre still there. It was in my post.. just open ur eyes...
My earlier post
Most planetary astronomers still believe that the planets of the Solar System formed from a nebula of gas and dust and ices that coalesced into a dusty disk around the developing Sun. Within the disk, tiny dust grains (and ices in the colder environs beginning around two AUs inside of Jupiter's orbit) coagulated into larger and larger bodies called planetesimals, many of which eventually accreted into planets over a period as long as a 100 million years. However, beyond the orbit of Mars, gravitational interference from Jupiter's huge mass prevented protoplanetary bodies from growing larger than about 1,000 km (620 miles), by sweeping many into pulverizing collisions as well as out into the Oort Cloud or beyond Sol's gravitational reach altogether.

Son of Brien
The mechanism for how an exploding planet would preferentially put water-rich asteroids in the outer belt and water-poor asteroids in the inner belt would have to be modeled and validated to give any credence to a missing planet theory.

Yup and seeing the thread is just warming up im sure we'll get to that interesting problem as with other ANOMALIES.. I guess thats what happens when people start to discuss their theories. But im sure ur eagerness to add to the bandwidth will be stirred into the soup of open thinking.

TW

OBrien · Member

thewatcher wrote:
Asteroids are primoridal objects left over from the formation of the Solar System. While some have suggested that they are the remains of a protoplanet that was destroyed in a massive collision long ago, the prevailing view is that asteroids are leftover rocky matter that never successfully coalesced into a planet. Most planetary astronomers still believe that the planets of the Solar System formed from a nebula of gas and dust and ices that coalesced into a dusty disk around the developing Sun. Within the disk, tiny dust grains (and ices in the colder environs beginning around two AUs inside of Jupiter's orbit) coagulated into larger and larger bodies called planetesimals, many of which eventually accreted into planets over a period as long as a 100 million years.

To summarise.. There most probably was a PlanetX in the said location.

That's not at all a summary of the material presented.

There's much quantitative evidence to support the theory that the asteroid belt is pre-planetary, not post-planetary. Comparisons of the optical properties of asteroids in the inner versus outer asteroid belt (R < 2.7 AU and R > 2.7 AU) and the properties of meteorites originating in the asteroid belt show a high correlation between hydrated compounds and the frost line of the Slar System. That is, asteroids beyond 2.7 AU are rich in compounds that contain water; asteroids closer than 2.7 AU are extremely poor in water. When the proto-planetary gas/dust disk was coalescing into the existing Solar System, 2.7 AU is where the frost line was ... water was rare closer to the Sun than 2.7 AU. (Search for "snow line" "frost line" "condensation sequence" for references).

The mechanism for how an exploding planet would preferentially put water-rich asteroids in the outer belt and water-poor asteroids in the inner belt would have to be modeled and validated to give any credence to a missing planet theory.

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

There are some theories that there were Electric Wars between alien species in this area millions of years ago and if there is anything in this theory, then Earth may have suffered along with nearby planets.

Certainly, there is evidence of massive space debris in some of the Rover photographs which could be attributed to some kind of space war. Any alien races fighting a war like this would likely have mega-sized weapons which could easily destroy worlds or civilisations. It is likely that this kind of war would also have spread alien races over many different worlds as they fled trying to get away from the fighting.

As far as alien types go, other theories and circumstancial evidence from sightings give us a number of different beings some which are humanoid and some which are more insectoid in appearance. I have also heard of dragon or reptile-type beings which may have given rise to the Chinese dragon tales. Given that aliens could come from any kind of different environment they could look like anything we can imagine, and just because we look humanoid, does not mean that they have to be this shape..

I think there is a lot of truth in sci-fi stories too, so maybe the spider race in Babylon-5 is another possibility.

thewatcher · Veteran Member

Hi cerone and all..

There are a series of planetX theories but I do like the theory you've posted.. Ive often wondered about that huge asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.

It possibly can be a debris field from a cataclismic break up, your Planet X!

Field description:
Asteroids

Asteroids are primoridal objects left over from the formation of the Solar System. While some have suggested that they are the remains of a protoplanet that was destroyed in a massive collision long ago, the prevailing view is that asteroids are leftover rocky matter that never successfully coalesced into a planet. Most planetary astronomers still believe that the planets of the Solar System formed from a nebula of gas and dust and ices that coalesced into a dusty disk around the developing Sun. Within the disk, tiny dust grains (and ices in the colder environs beginning around two AUs inside of Jupiter's orbit) coagulated into larger and larger bodies called planetesimals, many of which eventually accreted into planets over a period as long as a 100 million years. However, beyond the orbit of Mars, gravitational interference from Jupiter's huge mass prevented protoplanetary bodies from growing larger than about 1,000 km (620 miles), by sweeping many into pulverizing collisions as well as out into the Oort Cloud or beyond Sol's gravitational reach altogether.

NASA/Goddard Space Flight CenterLarger and scaled images The current position of known asteroids within Jupiter's orbit can be found in a real-time Plot of the Inner Solar System at the Minor Planet Center.
Most asteroids are rocky bodies that orbit the Sun between Mars and Jupiter in a "Main Asteroid Belt" that is centered around 2.7 times the Earth-Sun distance (astronomical unit or AU) from Sol. Two "clouds" of icy asteroids 60° ahead and behind Jupiter (and at or near Jupiter's orbital distance from the sun) are called "Jupiter Trojans" (diagram), while two similar objects in Mars orbit are called "Martian Trojans." Some asteroids have been found inside Earth's orbit (including many Near Earth Objects), while others -- including burnt out or dormant comets, such as perturbed Edgeworth-Kuiper Belt objects called "Centaurs" -- are located beyond Saturn's orbit. Indeed, many have orbits that cross Earth's path (see orbit diagram of near-Earth Asteroid 4179 Toutatis), and while small asteroidal fragments hit the Earth every day as meteorites, bigger asteroids are surmised to have landed with impacts that killed off a significant share of life on the planet in times past. While most asteroids may be only the size of pebbles, 16 asteroids have a diameter of 240 km (150 miles) and Ceres, the largest, has a diameter of about about 914 km (568 miles). On August 24, 2006, the International Astronomical Union voted at the end of its 26th General Assembly to establish a new class of substellar objects in the Solar System called "dwarf planets", which may eventually encompass the largest, relatively round asteroids such as Ceres and perhaps eventually Vesta, Pallas, and Hygeia. (See an animation of Ceres's orbit around the Sun, with a table of basic orbital and physical characteristics.)

To summarise.. There most probably was a PlanetX in the said location. If it was still there today we most certainly would be in a very different orbit or maybe not here at all.! I guess we may have come off better in the the never ending game of galactic billiards.

TW

Cerrone · Member

Thanks for the welcome! smile

I think my main problem with the Mars orbiting planet x theory itself... well there are two main problems really; firstly and most obviously, what kind of force exists that even possible to implode a planet the size of venus? Even if a huge asteroid hit it as the theory seems to say, it would have to be the size of a planet itself, twice the size of Mars to inflict such damage and that seems unlikely. I'm not an expert on astrophysics, but I don't think an object of that size could genuinely travel anywhere. Although one could argue that Mars itself may have been the thing that destroyed the larger planet, but then how would that explain the civilisation evidence on mars itself?

The second problem is that if this planet x did exist and it was destroyed, then so to have the hopes of finding traces of real civilsation anywhere in the region. It seems like an easy answer to just dismiss Mars civilisation altogether, I just don't buy it.

The irony is that, despite thinking this way about planet x, I have presented an actual evolution theory to describe the appearance of the "grey alien" stereotype, and i'm certianly not aware of anybody having done that yet. While I may personally dislike my own findings, I thought it would be objective to share them anyway!

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Oh you might want to repost the scars link Chandre, it redirected me the the main forum when i looked at it.

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Thats an interesting theory, Cerrone. Well worth further discussion.

You may find the information at the link below "Scars of Mars' of interest...

http://www.activeboard.com/directory/preview.spark?aBID=47797

Timewarp · Dedicated to the truth

Cerrone, welcome to the forum with an interesting first post

The theory that a 'Planet X', somewhere near the size of Venus, may have been in collision with Mars is a possibility that should not be overlooked.

I feel at some point in the long distant past something pretty large collided with Mars. At one time, there was a vast ocean covering the northern hemisphere of the planet. In knowing this, there is photographic evidence available that suggests a massive tsunami or great flood took place. Whether the massive displacement of water that formed the ocean was due to a very large object such as another 'planet' or asteroid colliding with the planet is debatable.

Cerrone · Member

Hi, this is my first post on here, i'm interested in hearing some opinions about my assessment of a little theory I came across some time ago. In referance to the Planet X of which Mars was supposedly in orbit around and was destroyed, and not the Planet X that everyone secretly hopes is going to obliterate us all in 2012...

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Anyhow, I read about this theory stating the possibility that Mars may have been in orbit around another planet billions of years ago and for whatever reason this planet was destroyed and created all the space debris we see in the area and was responsible for apparantly terminating life on Mars at the same time. I read that with some mild interest but didn't see a reason to believe it, it seemed to be mostly insignificant whether a civilisation existed on this blown up planet x or on Mars- the real point being that a civilisation may have existed at all. But I was curious about the hypothetical planet x, and the sheer size it would need to be to keep something the size of Mars in orbit, so I did some comparitive estimations and came up with the answer that the planet x would have to have been roughly the size of venus, if somewhat larger.

I then followed that through with some research on weather patterns existing on a planet that size- assuming it was capable of supporting ecosystems and life- and arrived at the conclusion that a planet the size of venus would have had a weather system so vast- and bearing in mind its distance from the sun as well- that each "season" would have left the inhabitants with an almost constant bitter winter lasting a number of years inbetween a shorter warmer period.

This kind of extreme cold weather would have driven intelligent evolving life underground into pitch black cave networks for the most part of their life to shelter. And bear in mind the size of the planet in question, it would have made communication and contact between other groups of people extremely difficult due to the journey time if not utterly impossible before they had means of transportation.

It says to me then, that any kind of intelligent life evolving on this planet x would have evolved with excellent vision in the dark and poorly adapted for daytime vision, and physically weaker due to the lack of a need for defending communities against enemy groups because of the difficulty of groups to journey or locate other groups and sheltered cave networks. Very quickly I came to realise that the kind of creature that would evolve in such a fashion wouldn't look to disimilar to the popular image of the "grey alien" with the weak body, and large black eyes.

I hasten to add however, that I don't hold with the concept of grey aliens or any kind of fantastic looking creatues; it's my assumption that any aliens would in fact look very much like ourselves. But I also felt that I couldn't keep my conclusion about the "planet x theory" to myself, so i'm sharing it with you guys.

Any thoughts?