It is amazing how the rover is capable of self-cleaning but has anyone stopped to consider the fact that the images are still clear after all this time.
One would have thought that a film would have built up on the lenses by now, unless a mechanism is employed to clean them. Just a thought....
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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
Even in PIA10128, where officially they state that ...
"The deck of NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Spirit is so dusty that the rover almost blends into the dusty background in this image assembled from frames taken by the panoramic camera (Pancam) during the period from Spirit's Sol 1,355 through Sol 1,358 (Oct. 26-29, 2007)." click here for the whole accompanying caption
The plastic model is so clean that you can even see the ground below.
-- Frutty
PS> This is between me and those who read this .. Oppy will reach Endevour and new whacky rocks and a mammoth "crater" will perplex the world. However, few people will know what is really going on, including you Q.
This was the situation as of January 3, 2005 and the power levels of Spirit were dropping because of the same layer of dust on the solar panels
Before and After a Cleaning Event on Spirit March 03, 2005
Image Courtesy Nasa/JPL
These two images from 10 days apart show that dust was removed from the panoramic camera's calibration target on NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Spirit. Spirit's panoramic camera took the picture on the left on the rover's 416th martian day, or sol, (March 5, 2005) and took the picture on the right on sol 426 (March 15, 2005). During the time in-between, other evidence of dust-lifting winds were a jump in power output by Spirit's solar arrays on sol 420 from removal of some accumulated dust, and sighting of two dust devils in sol 421 images from Spirit. Source
Strange that I should find a perfect example of a pristine rover panel yesterday which I will try and find. I remember I kept it and saved the link too. PIA03610 & PIA03272.jpg are ABSOLUTELTY as good as new. Now PIA10128.jpg is virtually useless because it is so covered with dust. I really do not know if these are the same rover or different ones. If the PIA numbers reflect the age of the photo, the first two are nearer the start of the mission and the last is further along in time.
OK, I think it is from a link posted on here previously
"For the record, and to prove no self cleaning panel technology was in working conditions" instead of "For the record, and to prove no self cleaning panel technology was ever spoken about".
In Research & Technology, 2000, on page 37 we can read.
“Mars dust filled atmosphere could be a significant problem for photovoltaic array operation during long missions in the surface of Mars. Measurements made by Pathfinder, showed a 0.3 percent loss of solar array performance per day due to dust obscuration. Thus dust deposition is the limiting factor in the lifetime of solar arrays fro Martian power systems and developing design tools to mitigate this deposition is important for long missions.”
Ok 0.3 percent per day means a maximum bound of 333 days to completely exhaust a solar panel on Mars. A much lower duration bound to render them useless.
So what has kept the Mars rovers alive , which are powered by solar panels, for almost 7 years according to the official story? Are rovers on Mars for real?
Ok, to summarize my previous post, Ted Twietmeyer , realized by official photographs the rovers on Mars were cleaning their panels by themselves.
On 2010 prestigious science news outlasts claim there was a technology already developed to self clean rovers’ panels, so that would come as no surprise. So they are admitting the Mars Rovers are (were for spirit which is long gone) self cleaning their panels.
For the record, and to prove no self cleaning panel technology was ever spoken about until Ted Twietmeyer realized the impossible event taken place, in this article in new scientist dating 2004 we can read …
As reported by Newscientist, on 2004, the Mars rover Opportunity "stumbled into something akin to a carwash," which somehow 'cleaned' its solar panels. Jim Erickson of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory admitted that the cause of this surprise 'cleaning' could not be explained. 'These exciting and unexplained cleaning events have kept Opportunity in really great shape,' Erickson said."
Thus it’s impossible this technology was already there.
After Ted Twietmeyer noticed the Rover's scam, in two articles that still remain on the internet, where he realized the rover panels were clening themselves up ....
The Amazing Self Cleaning Rovers http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47ted_twietmeyer/03files/The_Amazing_Self_Cleaning_Sundial.html
Mars Self-Cleaning Rovers & Changing Sundial Mystery http://www.rense.com/general82/chng.htm The decievers have quickly counter attacked, claiming the technology was already there invented exclusively to self clean the rovers' panels.
Mars rover technology could improve solar power efficiency on Earth http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100822150641.htm By Murray Wardrop 9:56AM BST 23 Aug 2010
Self-cleaning technology from Mars can keep terrestrial solar panels dust free http://www.physorg.com/news201528374.html August 22, 2010
Self-cleaning Solar Panels arrive from Mars http://solar.calfinder.com/blog/products/self-cleaning-solar-panels/
I think the solution of your problem regarding to the red NASA-logo is very simple. Remember that the blue strip of the calibration target was red/purple if the color image was rendered from L2-L5-L7 filtered images. It was because the blue paiont of the strip has high relative reflectance value over the wavelength 700 nm. It seems that the NASA-logo is printed with the same material, so it has as high reflectance in that wavelength range as the blue strip of the caltarget. Since the color images shown you were composed from L2-L5-L7 filtered images they show red NASA-logos instead of blue. This phenomenon is independent of using linearized or nonlinearized images or using spectral radiance calculation or not. But you can see that the plate of JPL-logo is bluish instead of yellowish.
Well Q, put your hand in your heart and repeat what you have said before without it starting to pulse irregularly.
Of course it’s a paint-over. I know it you know it.
I remember recently I was introduced to this young lady no more than 20 years old. I started chatting with her until It occurred to me to ask her if she had seen images from Mars on the internet.
Her immediate response went in the following lines
I think these may possibly be sun reflection and image burn-out because the camera ccd cannot handle the brightness.
The focus should be 'in focus' something like 1.5m to infinity if I remember correctly so it is quite reasonable that some components may not be in focus it they are within that distance, however maybe the ground is that distance away from the camera and should be in focus. Our image and camera-lens man may have more to say on this.
Shows red NASA logo and yellow bordered strange looking gizmo turned to white , plus blurred mechanical disk shape parts of spirit rover absolutely indiscernible
- Frutty
P.S. I tried Qmantoo url name decoder but couldn’t have it working
Side by side comparison of different colored / different textured (and I would venture "different shapes", except for the gizmo in the middle) identifyable parts of the Mars Spirit Rover, in the two different images by said rover
Xirius shows some pictures in which a yellowish anomaly occurred. However the NASA logo was, though very saturated, clearly blue.
Here is a picture whose description is as follows, and in which the NASA logo shows red.
This photograph 1P232495802RAD82P2551L257C1 is version 1 of a photograph produced for C - Cornell University on Tue, 15 May 2007 10:08 ( calculated Sol 1174. ) It was taken with the PANCAM, through the Unknown camera, using a Unknown filter on the Mars Rover Opportunity.
It is a RAD picture which is NOT raw, is NOT liniarised, and is NOT thumbnail sized
The picture was taken at site number 82 on drive number P2, and the command sequence number 551L2 to take the picture was instructed by Unknown and belongs to the group Unknown
And this bit please too. (the spelling mistake should read negotiate not regotiate)
There appear to be jpeg compression artifacts all around it in the background or if not artifacts, at least there are fairly regular structures, so if this is the rover it would have quite a few large-ish rocks to regotiate in that area.
I accept that the perspective is different from fruitnut's insert of the rover but I would have expected to see more than just a blue 'blob' if we can see the background like this.
O'Brien maybe you could give us your take on this please?
I have to admit that it does not look like the rover opportunity. It looks more like a blue monolith with blackedout/shadowed area facing the camera. Something on the left is glinting in the sunlight or white colour.
There appear to be jpeg compression artifacts all around it in the background or if not artifacts, at least there are fairly regular structures, so if this is the rover it would have quite a few large-ish rocks to regotiate in that area.
I accept that the perspective is different from fruitnut's insert of the rover but I would have expected to see more than just a blue 'blob' if we can see the background like this.
O'Brien maybe you could give us your take on this please?
And then perform an "enhancement" that picks up the tracks a bit without creating a morass of jpg artifacts
Let's review what the previous "enhancement" produced:
These are jpg artifacts. Please remember what they look like. If you see them again remember that they are artifacts of the compression process and not buildings, structures, cultivated fields, military bases, or large quilts. If you have data that looks like this, you have lousy data.
Then label some points:
And then see that Opportunity drove from A to B to C to D to E to F. At no time did it drive from A to C or from A to D.
Then check the Opportunity traverse map and see that the image matches the route taken:
If you want, you can even go in and look at the Pancam and Navcam images from sols 942-957 and follow the rover's position with respect to Victoria's edge at each step of the way.
And then there's the blatant proclamation "Remember at that time we did not know the rover would outlive its service life by so many times yet, so it’s a no no."
By the time Opportunity reached Point A, it was sol 942. At that time Opportunity had lasted 10x its designed mission life.
Here is picture of opportunity rover as seen from the Mars reconnaissance orbiter, sitting next to the Victoria crater city complex.
Here is the image enhanced.
Am sorry if I am coming on too strong on scientists, experts in physics etc etc … that feel happy buying the story of the rovers on Mars, and how “we” have the technology to send amazing gizmos that ramble throughout Mars, grinding rocks left and right, and can outlast the expected service life by manifolds, self cleaning their panels, taking advantage of dust devils when they show to groom their anti oxidizing, always shiny armor.
The truth is different.
Disregarding the city around Victoria, that in fact is not sitting on a plain but on a wall in the martian terrain, which is rugged by the many artificial constructions that who knows what kind of aliens build, and would make a four wheel drive stalled on its first attempt of starting up the engine after it had hypothetically landed on Mars, I will try a simple exercise, with the purpose of would be readers questioning how gullible are we.
According to the annotated picture, the grooves from A to C are tracks made by the rover and the grooves from A to B likewise.
It means that the rover instead of circling around the Victoria crater from B to C,, to find a hole trough which it could descend to the complex (playing along as we already know it would be impossible to move trough all those structures, and to accomplish the feat of exploring the inside of this artificial construction), it went back to A and made the long journey to C. Does this seem reasonable to you? Remember at that time we did not know the rover would outlive its service life by so many times yet, so it’s a no no. I suppose the grooves from A to D (not visible in the original tampered blurred smudged image) were also made by the rover.
People wake up. There’s an enigmatic universe out there, for us to be playing games, and let ourselves be fooled this way.
the yellowish color in a RGB image means the low level of the blue component. In the first image the blue level is not low generally since the NASA logo is strong blue, i.e. the blue level of the photo is not wrong. If you compare the color of the plate of the second to fourth images, you can see the contradiction: they are blue against the first photo where it is yellowish. First I thought that during taken the blue-filtered (L6 and L7)images this plate was in shadow that would have resulted lower blue level than in normal lighting. But I had to reject this idea because the color of the JPL logo is approximate true red (and of its white embedding patch) instead of orange color what would have been rendered at low level of blue. This is my problem with this anomaly.
I'm a bit bewildered..because of a strange anomaly. After rendering a color image of Opportunity of sol14 I was surprised, because in the photo the plate with JPL logo was yellowish-brown, but I remembered it was blue.
See it:
It is strange that NASA logo is very saturated blue and the metallic part at the bottom of image has canary-colored frame.
Strangely same this rover on the sol65 has a blue plate with JPL logo:
Quick checking: an image from sol2300 of Oppy and an image of Spirit from sol1495:
Although these plates are fairly contamined with martian dust but it is obviously visible that the the plates of both rovers are blue. In addition the same metallic part of Spirit has no canary-yellow frame. What is the cause of this anomaly? Any idea?
For the sake of simplicity let's suppose one tiny rover is assigned a mission to go down the Arizona crater. It’s dimensions are similar to that of the VIctoria crater. (thoughn we already know VIctoria crater is something else but whatever)
How it could possibly do it without being damaged forever? How would it climb back? And visit other ten craters? Well that's what opportunity rover did and continues doing.
So watcher you still think there are rovers on Mars? After everything I have posted on this thread? nooooooo
Just kidding. Well first off. The rover is an authentic fake. See the model O'brian produced in this thread and compare it to this image. Nothing to do.
2-The central complex of the crater is soooo fake that I did not know if burst in tears or giggle about. At the end I was deaf and dumb
3- The horizon is cut clean. Victoria crater as you already know has several gigantic structures surrounding it's rim, no little rover could surpass.
4- The people who produce these faked images have a sense of cynicism. Just next to the rover's little mast there's a jester saying hello. -- Of course if you over zoom you will only see tiny parts and cables and other stuff.
5- Victoria crater is not just a Martian complex surrounded by sand. There is a grid of cities all around, and an magnificent mammoth deity representation (bigger than the crater in height) looking on to it.
How do I know all of that?
i am responsible for what I know and I don't know, remember
Hi Fruit.. Forgive me for being a little ignorant, just a few questions mixed with a point or 2.
1. I see a fish-eye shot with Victoria on right with tamperings around crater rim down to basin. Thats known. 2. If this location on earth, believe me it would have be pointed out by now. There are enough eyes on this crater , its features etc to be flagged! 3. The image is made up of (sometimes poorly aligned eg bottom portion showing rover, giving out of sync shadows and such) strips taken at various times of the martian day and transmitted separately. Then reassembled here. 4.Calibration , compression issues , hue, contrast differences can be seen but this is more a general out look and cant be used for accuracy.
I need to be clear, apart from Log number issues (maybe) what is the main thing or things youve spotted? Im intrigued.
After having seen hundreds of faked images by rovers and what nots, I know that after forum readers study this photo cautiously, everybody will agree with me that this one should take all the applauses
It's a view of opportunity rover inside VIctoria crater
I did not point that out to make you look a fool. I did it because it is a genuine point that others would make. No problem. We all make mistakes, and I have made big ones posting pictures on here when I thought I had found something, only for it to be pointed out it was something simple and not an anomaly at all.
Ok here is my analysis of the latest rover photograph we got thanks to O'brian.
Recapitulating. The exif info from the first image posted has not been fully explained. Fo which it has not been ruled out to be a montage.
Based on this image, so as to realize how the rover is build, I made an analysis on the second image (the last image posted of the rover - with soujourner to left)
Things I did not know: The Rover's panels from below are shiny as glass But according to the last image that's how it is.
I am posting the inconsistencies I found in the last image.
1- There is a rover part right derectly below the panels which is not refeclted at all 2- The yellow dorr in the background is being reflected in the inferior part of the panels when the panels a tad tilted to to reflect what's in from not beneath.
3- The gif cap of the articulation for the wheels is different (iot does not prove anything but it's so)
4- In the last image the shadow that the arm from the articulation, is casting a fake shadow.
The identification of this photoghraph strangely is 2P250825588EFFAW9DP2432R1M1
I think you are mistaken, as the url of this photgraph is this link and I do not see the marsrover file number anywhere. The full res image is this link
I would have thought that they assemble the real deal in a clean room where there contamination from Earth is much reduced, so this one may be the full size model that they use here to test stuff. I dont know. It would be interesting to find a proper image of the real Martian Rovers before they left Earth, rather than something (looking at the wheel trims) which is obviously not the one they sent.
So O'Brien, since you posted the original link to the gallery of Rover images, can you clarify this please?
Ok qmantoo, good you are following the way I got the pics was as follows.
1- I copied the url provided by O'friend
2- I went to google and typed inurl:http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/spacecraft/
3- I selected the tab for images
4- I saw the image
3- I downloaded the image. Save as ... 2P250825588EFFAW9DP2432R1M1
There you go ...
Now I repeated the procedure above and it comes save as liverover.jpg
Anyway ... it cannot be reproduced. I am the laughingstock I suppose
No problem gmantoo. I will continue analysing all the photographs until people at the forum get involved
The identification of this photoghraph strangely is 2P250825588EFFAW9DP2432R1M1
I think you are mistaken, as the url of this photgraph is this link and I do not see the marsrover file number anywhere. The full res image is this link
I would have thought that they assemble the real deal in a clean room where there contamination from Earth is much reduced, so this one may be the full size model that they use here to test stuff. I dont know. It would be interesting to find a proper image of the real Martian Rovers before they left Earth, rather than something (looking at the wheel trims) which is obviously not the one they sent.
So O'Brien, since you posted the original link to the gallery of Rover images, can you clarify this please?
Ok here is what I was able to get as a model of the spirit rover., thanks to O'brien:
The identification of this photoghraph strangely is
2P250825588EFFAW9DP2432R1M1
which according to qmantoo's NASA image decoder means
This photograph 2P250825588EFFAW9DP2432R1M1 is version 1 of a photograph produced for M - MIPL (OPGS) at JPL on Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:45 ( calculated Sol 1401). It was taken with the PANCAM, through the Right camera, using a 436nm (37nm Short-pass) (violet) filter on the Mars Rover Spirit.
It is a full frame EDR picture which is raw, is NOT liniarised, and is NOT thumbnail sized
The picture was taken at site number AW on drive number 9D, and the command sequence number P2432 to take the picture was instructed by PMA & Remote Sensing instr. (Pancam, Navcam, Hazcam, MI, Mini-TES) and belongs to the group 2000 through 2899 - Pancam sequences
By then the spirit rover was supposed to be on Mars right?
Ok people hold on tight to your chair, because the best is yet to come
There's another image with the exact same ID: THE METRONOME ANOMALY IMAGE !!!!!!!
I would really appreciate it if other members of the forum contribute to this thread.
The things I have found are not something to shrug off
fruitnut1 wrote:After looking in the internet for a real spirit photograph I found the one shown on the righ below. -- No other photograph of the spirit/opportunity rover can be found except CGI footage and concept artist sketches – and some blurred b&w pics --
Anybody can bring a spirit/opportunity rover picture (not paintings by concept artists ) that is not blurred and is not photoshopped?
...on the right the rover picture I found, with dates after the rover was long gone
You claim your photo is of Spirit, and is the only one that can be found.
Neither are true.
The photo you show is of the test rover in the Surface System Testbed, or "sandbox" used to test techniques for extracting Spirit when it became stuck in loose sand.
No mystery either that the Exif data shows a date of 6/30/2009 for the creation of the photo. That is the date of the blog entry documenting the effort to free Spirit at the Free Spirit website.
Over a dozen photos of the test rover in the sandbox can be found there.
As far as actual photos of the flight rovers, start here for a number of photos of the rovers in various states of assembly and integration into the spacecraft.
Applying the high pass filter to this messy rover’s track you can see encircled the structures in the background that can be seen through when looking for left overs after the overlays.
Once again at the the bottom is the perennial log, which after filtered, shows traces of the terrain underneath.
1. The top of the image (I haven’s realized so far which part corresponds to this according to the rover’s model, but they say it’s part of the rover’s camera), is immune to HAZCAM fisheye deformation which affects the rest of the picture.
2. In the lower left hand side of the image you can see trhough the a solid part of the rover
3. Nothing from this rover corresponds to the model we see in the thousands of CGI images published all across the internet portraying the rover.
4. The depth of the landscape is nothing like the one portrayed in the left image
5. The tracks of the rover are exposed as being part of the landscape which they take advantage of, to simulate rover’s tracks.
Ok. I have found that the Mars spirit rover and other rovers and probes Mars bound photographs, show overlayed machines and personally I have not been able to find an adequate explanation for this fact.
After looking in the internet for a real spirit photograph I found the one shown on the righ below. -- No other photograph of the spirit/opportunity rover can be found except CGI footage and concept artist sketches – and some blurred b&w pics -- After seeing the expression of the two ladies standing next to the rover, their positions relative to the ground, and zooming in I started becoming suspicious of the photographs as the sand showed strange texture and furthermore the lower edges of the rover where not solid and mingled with the sand ….
What I did is I inspected its exif info - exif info is metadata attached to every jpeg and gig image types - And found a most strange display that leads me to believe in fact it is a montage. Maybe an expert in exif metadata can give us a second opinion. Watcher?. In my opinion this picture is fake.
Anybody can bring a spirit/opportunity rover picture (not paintings by concept artists ) that is not blurred and is not photoshopped? Was a rover ever sent to Mars? On the left a the exif info from a picture I took with my NIKON camera, on the right the rover picture I found, with dates after the rover was long gone and the camera make in the wrong field, not to mention the adobe Photoshop elements having been used in the production process.
On top an official animated gif showing one of the six wheel drive rover as it revs up on Martian soil.
Note: an animated gif is a series of still photographs put togeteher in sequence to give the impression of motion.
At the bottom inconsistencies in the 7 gif still pics that comprise the whole sequence.
Note also the apparently wooden material on the bottom, that would correspond to the base of the rover. However also notice that notwithsanding the rover excerpting its full wheel drive power, it does not move a millimeter in the whole sequence which is not possible because as tight as the camera is locked to the alleged rover, as it wounds the martian soil at least a minimum hint of motion should be observed as a result of the abrupt movement caused by the sudden change in position of the rover.
The following picture shows the results I obtained by applying a high pass filter to an official photograph purportedly taken by Opportunity Rover. The resulting image on the right shows tracks are painted over the big martian structure in the background ... and the rover too.