Alien Anomalies

belgar · Member

RE: Cerberuss Fossae TRA-000827-1875.ESP (water,alien structures,tampering,...)

OBrien · Member

belgar wrote:
And yes I saw the color one you linked, but it´s only a portion(center) of the whole picture.

As I explained below, that's as big as the color image will ever be. The CCDs with the filters providing multi-color only overlap the area of the center two of the ten CCDs that make up the whole pushbroom array. So the width of the color swath is only 1/5 the width of the monochrome swath.

belgar wrote:
1-Why they took or release on the web this version of the picture that how you says its only 1/4 resolution.I think its an interesting image,more interesting that others with 2/4 resolution that shows only rocks?

Binning is used for a couple reasons, but the main one is that there simply isn't enough capability in the data transmission rate from Mars to Earth to take every picture at full resolution. The max data rate is something like 6 Mb/s, which means that a full size, full resolution 11.6 Gb compressed image takes over half an hour to transmit to Earth. Given the volume of images they're trying to retrieve, and remembering that there is a limited amount of memory storage space onboard, everything has to be prioritized.

belgar wrote:
2-They release picture with false color:
What does “false color” Mean?

"False" color means that the color you see in HiRISE images is not the "true" color human eyes would see on Mars. This is because the HiRISE camera views Mars in a different part of the spectrum than human eyes do. Nevertheless, false color imagery is extremely valuable because it illuminates the distinction between different materials and textures.
They says there isnt water on Mars, so why they ever choose the blue color to "paint" portions of images thats looks like water to us?

Maybe artistic license? Maybe because red would not have shown the material contrast against the brown as well, and green always looks sickly. Or if green had been chosen, a similar argument could be made: "why they ever choose the green color to "paint" portions of images thats looks like vegetation to us? Maybe the geologist who wanted the false color had already done similar papers on IR reflectance previously used blue as false color for the IR spectrum and wanted to have the HiRISE images match. In either case, the blue can't be confused with water, so it doesn't matter.

belgar · Member

Thaks for the reply OBrien, now I understand better what means all data they put under the pictures :).
About the color,I was answering Levelwind,". It is so completely bogus to send a camera across our solar system to take black and white pictures. WTF is this the 1950's? How come more people are not outraged by this? This is the most blaten thing about these image cover ups. Any real study of another world would require color photos.".
And yes I saw the color one you linked, but it´s only a portion(center) of the whole picture.
Now just for know what do you think about it,or if you have a rational answer to these questions:

1-Why they took or release on the web this version of the picture that how you says its only 1/4 resolution.I think its an interesting image,more interesting that others with 2/4 resolution that shows only rocks?

2-They release picture with false color:
What does “false color” Mean?

"False" color means that the color you see in HiRISE images is not the "true" color human eyes would see on Mars. This is because the HiRISE camera views Mars in a different part of the spectrum than human eyes do. Nevertheless, false color imagery is extremely valuable because it illuminates the distinction between different materials and textures.

They says there isnt water on Mars, so why they ever choose the blue color to "paint" portions of images thats looks like water to us?

OBrien · Member

belgar wrote:

I agree with you.They spent like 40 million$ only to build the camera.The Hirise camera have this:

"HiRISE was designed to be a High Resolution camera from the beginning. It consists of a large mirror, as well as a large CCD camera. Because of this, it achieves a resolution of 1 microradian, or 0.3 meter at a height of 300 km. (For comparison purposes, satellite images on Google Maps are available to 1 meter.It can image in three color bands, 400–600 nm (blue-green or B-G), 550–850 nm (red) and 800–1,000 nm (near infrared or NIR)."
"A single uncompressed image uses up to 28 Gb. However, these images are transmitted compressed,with a typical max size of 11.2 Gigabits. These images are released to the general public on the HiRISE website via a new format called JPEG 2000."

I downloaded some JPEG2000 or JP2 and has great quality.But how you say why release only B&W pictures and in this particular picture why the Jp2(the better quality they offer to us) is only 37.5 Mgs,what happened with the 10.* Gigabits?

"A single uncompressed image uses UP TO 28 Gb." Not all images use up the full capacity. Like this one.

A typical maximum image for the red channel is 20,000 pixels across track and 126,000 pixels along track. Which means that a full image would be five times as long as it is wide. If you look here you can see that the image is the full 20,000 pixels wide (this is apparent from the bottom edge where you can see artifacts from each of the ten separate CCDs that make up the red channel.

But the image is only about 2/3 the height of the width. Which means a maximum size image would be about 7.5x as long and use up about 7.5x as much data as this image.

37.5 MB (this image) x 7.5 = 281MB (max size image)

Also look at the text which tells you "the image scale is 55 cm/pixel (with 2 x 2 binning)". This means that the charge for every 2 x 2 group of pixels is combined into one binned pixel. So the maximum resolution is not used for this image, this image has 1/4 the maximum resolution.

281 MB (this image at 2 x 2 binning) x 4 = 1,124 MB = 1.097 GB (max resolution image)

And note that the original statement is about the data capacity in bits, not bytes. 1 byte (B) = 8 bits (b).

1.097 GB x 8 = 8.78 Gb

8.78 Gb is not too far from the 11.2 Gb of a transmitted image. The rest is likely compression from the JPEG 2000 algorithm. Nothing unusual going on.

As for the color image, you simply haven't looked hard enough. It's right here.

You'll notice that the color image is a slice out of the middle of the B&W image. That's because there are separate CCDs with color filters in line with the middle two CCDs. Color imagery can only occur in the center 1/5 of a HiRISE image. There's a nice description and explanation of the layout of the CCDs here.

gbull · Veteran Member

nice up close pics.

the water dynamics on mars has to be very different than earth.

i assume that we are talking about a channel.

first, why would anything build in a channel. well maybe they know when the water will flow.

maybe every so many generations. maybe it flows reasonably low all the time and there are the
times they can get out when it rages. (looks like it can carry lots of water)

maybe i'm way off! lol.

ya, the stupid camera, dogs see in black and white. they have great eyesight too.

but we are not hard wired to see in that medium.

i wonder what a dog would see in these pics? hmmm..

belgar · Member

I agree with you.They spent like 40 million$ only to build the camera.The Hirise camera have this:

"HiRISE was designed to be a High Resolution camera from the beginning. It consists of a large mirror, as well as a large CCD camera. Because of this, it achieves a resolution of 1 microradian, or 0.3 meter at a height of 300 km. (For comparison purposes, satellite images on Google Maps are available to 1 meter.It can image in three color bands, 400–600 nm (blue-green or B-G), 550–850 nm (red) and 800–1,000 nm (near infrared or NIR)."
"A single uncompressed image uses up to 28 Gb. However, these images are transmitted compressed,with a typical max size of 11.2 Gigabits. These images are released to the general public on the HiRISE website via a new format called JPEG 2000."

I downloaded some JPEG2000 or JP2 and has great quality.But how you say why release only B&W pictures and in this particular picture why the Jp2(the better quality they offer to us) is only 37.5 Mgs,what happened with the 10.* Gigabits?
I only can say on B&W picture you can hide more things easily than on color,and the brush,tampering,paint they use to retouch them It is obvious less.

Levelwind · Senior Member

This is a good one. This is a river valley with water still flowing through it. Aside from all the cool anomalies, you can see how the shore line has changed and been water eroded. And I'm sure there is lots of plant life down there also. It is so completely bogus to send a camera across our solar system to take black and white pictures. WTF is this the 1950's? How come more people are not outraged by this? This is the most blaten thing about these image cover ups. Any real study of another world would require color photos. Anyways nice find belgar. I had a lot fun looking this one.

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

Yes, lots of good stuff here for further investigation and cataloging. Well done.

papadipongo · Member

hi
i agree with u, this zone can be very intresting : in particular what u called "squared roks" are ideed anomalies.

also i noticed this kind of anomaly several times in other images, and as of now i'm oriented to believe that they aren't a particular martian rock formations.
they are ust too squared to be natural lol.

belgar · Member

I was looking some hirise I downloaded ,and this one...

Original Image:I worked with Full Scale Jpeg (30.1Mg)

Look the image and read the explanation they did:

"The prominent trough in this sub-image is a segment of the Cerberus Fossae rift system. In geological terminology the trough is known as a graben, or down-dropped region bounded by faults. In this location the graben is about 300 m wide and 90 m deep. Bright, dust-covered, cratered plains surround the graben, and darker sediments blanket much of its floor. Dunes that vary in size and spacing occur within the darker sediments, and their shapes suggest that the wind typically blows from east to west. Light-toned, angular boulders pepper the darker sediments. They have broken away from the rocky walls of the graben and tumbled downhill. Over time this mass wasting has caused the cliffs to retreat, widening the trough. The somewhat lighter patches of cratered terrain on the graben floor were once level with the surrounding plains, but have since been lowered by faulting. Over time they may become obscured or buried by the darker sediments. High-standing ridges (remnants of the former surface) cast jagged shadows on the floor of the graben that reveal the rugged nature of the landscape in this region of Mars. "

Ok, so I cant see water here:

(thanks gmantoo for you page)

And of course this dunes were made by wind and time:

fakeddunes

and sure the wind made too the paralell lines .

Well if you believe the official explanation stop reading now XD

Now I´ll show you some anomalies inside fossae, but if you want you can also take the image and invert it and look carefully how the walls seems faked,anyways you can see this without invert it,just do some zoom on image and look!

example

I searched on the image from left to right,above a portion of the image shows you how I made it

anomalies1

Anomalies:
1-Some kind of structure tampered
2-Dont know what is this, but i saw aonther things like that in other pictures (I´ll show you soon),but anyways the shadow its wrong
3-Its that rocks?,not sure , tampered above
4-Again the shadow seems wrong,also its tampered around it
5-Strange formation
6-Piramids?
7-(big image)-you can see perfectly the tampering

k all shadows on image are stronger darker, so why this rock? has that greay shadow
9-Not sure if are only my eyes,but seems really strange
10-That white round rock that seems isnt on floor produces that bigger shadow?
11-Like in image 2, where went his shadow?
12-Heavy tampered
13-Some kind of structure tampered?
14-So that little rock produce that 2 bigger shadow?
15-Some kind of structure partially hidden on shadows
16-All rock on photo has the top highlighted and the shadows stars on the floor,so what happens here?
17-Strange rock formation?
18-Structure tamperd and faked shadow
19-Tampered rock?, the right side seems vertical so why the shadow are round?
20-A squared rock? hidden on shadows
21-Tampering
22-Seems like some vertical structure without shadow,or maybe some horizontal structure with ramps?
23-Strange structure
24-Structures added to the walls? or just floating rocks? Xd
25-So now the nature on mars can produce only with wind that squared rocks with levels?
26-Another piramid structure hidden on shadows
27-Different structures tamperd hidden on shadows

anomalies2

All these can be found inside shadows on upper fossae wall
1-Really heavy tamperin
2-Squared structure with a door?
3-Like upper image 15 with a littl emore light
4-Heavy tamperin
5-Again heavy tamperin
6-Tampered structures
7-Heavy tamperin that left lines on image
8-More tampered images

There are much more anomalies on this image, but I only put some of them,some that you can see at first sight.
Sorry for this bigger post and my poor english :).All the images are really on image,I only could rise the brightness.Maybe the experts here can reveal more of these anomalies