Alien Anomalies

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

RE: We all have it, We all do it..........Pareidolia.......Apophenia

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

And we have to remember that occasionally someone comes along who is 10 or 50 years ahead of their time. This gives them a unique view and perspective which others do not see. Maybe Einstein and Tesla were such people, who knows.

There are also ordinary (not famous) people, working on the fringe of society, who are 'ahead of their time' and although they are generally though of as wierd, could be getting insights into what we normal folk will discoverfor ourselves in the future.

Software_Pyrate · Veteran Member

I can agree with that statement timewarp.....however...its not a condition that people "suffer" from. It is how the brain uses its own algorithms to identify familiar patterns and faces.

Its not a disease or condition....merely the way the brain perceives information.

So when looking at an random image or pattern, there very well may be a face or structure in that pattern. Apophenia and Pareidolia is merely the name applied to that line of thinking...or as wiki states it "physiological phenomenon" to which you see it.

However...the brains own algorythem can work against itself and "force" images and familiar patterns into the image...just like ink blots.

I'm not saying you have not seen what you have seen...just making sure people stay on there toes and be critical of there own thinking before posting "do you see the faces on this rock" or "this looks a lot like".

Just trying to raise the bar so to speak, make people be critical of their own thinking, and be openminded to other opinions and ideas that may be thrown their way.

Timewarp · Dedicated to the truth

For what it's worth, here is my view on the subject of pareidolia.

Many people can see objects such as heads, faces, cars, ships and many other recognizable shapes on rocks or in clouds, soil, sand or clusters of pebbles etc.

To see one recognizable shape is quite common. To see two or three similar shapes would be a coincidence. But to see many more similar shapes is something beyond coicidence and is worthy of extended scientific investigation.

I have found in my research of land masses and rock formations in various countries on this planet, let alone researching the Moon or Mars, that there are many similar looking shapes and in finding these shapes do not consider myself to be suffering any form of pareidolia, but a keen awareness that many thousands of years ago the ancients used the landscape and rocks as their canvas to leave a record of who they were, what they looked like and also, what their ancestors looked like.

fruitnut1 · Dedicated to the truth

Lotte wrote:

I tried to send the photo through but don't know how to do that. But if you enlarge it, you can see in the upper right segment something that looks like a tree. But maybe I want to see that...
http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=b&type=I&mission=Mars%20Express&single=y&start=542

O yes I coud see it too. Unfortunately the image has a heavy overlay o tampering.

fruitnut1 · Dedicated to the truth

Chandre wrote:

Fruitnut,

Thank you, you have given me a perfect example to illustrate the point.

You say skull...

I say a terraced building with obvious square architectural elements, a rounded doorway/opening in the centre and an elevated landing pad in front of it with a craft parked there.

Also, a clear line indicating tampering or some mosaic application where I suspect they may have lowered the actual elements to the right of the line to distort the square elements that would show a square building if corrected.

See, we come back to individual perceptions....

At last we agree Chandre. That's also my position too, structured terrain all around that looks like skulls, witches elfs, animals and mythological beings. aww . Err so we have proven something after all. confuse

-- Frutty

Lotte · Member

I tried to send the photo through but don't know how to do that. But if you enlarge it, you can see in the upper right segment something that looks like a tree. But maybe I want to see that...
http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=b&type=I&mission=Mars%20Express&single=y&start=542

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Fruitnut,

Thank you, you have given me a perfect example to illustrate the point.

You say skull...

I say a terraced building with obvious square architectural elements, a rounded doorway/opening in the centre and an elevated landing pad in front of it with a craft parked there.

Also, a clear line indicating tampering or some mosaic application where I suspect they may have lowered the actual elements to the right of the line to distort the square elements that would show a square building if corrected.

See, we come back to individual perceptions....

Software_Pyrate · Veteran Member

Point well said Fruit.

I just wanted to point out, the obvious, that is, making a post every 5 seconds because you(not u literally but us generally) see a face....you get me....

But I do get your point, that it does allow us to "catch" things so to speak.

fruitnut1 · Dedicated to the truth

Hello Chandre, In reference to your last post.

This is mage By Taymour of the hellas Basin curiosities Shows what is spread across the Martian surface. It's a skull like artificial object, that escaped the censorship from whatever filter they use to hide the evident.

So sometimes maybe we are imagining faces. But imagining faces in every single shot they allow us to view is something that escapes any reasonable assumption or logical debate.

What I was trying to convey with the Rushmore example, is that it is impossible to prove"scientifically" that those are faces. But the common sense advises otherwise.

Just like it's impossible to prove scientifically the "big bang". It's impossible to prove "scientifically" the existence of black holes, or beyond light speed travel. It's impossible to prove scientifically the extinction of dinos being caused by a meteor, that UFOS are extraterrestrial vehicles. It's impossible to prove scientifically even the evolution theory. However it's a common believe and those "truths" are taken for granted. (Remember that to prove anything scientifically, whatever the target hypothesis, should be reproducible. So you see what I mean, and that's the context I use.)

The hellas basin on Mars is artificial which is plain to see if you review taymor's findings ( and thousand others). So denying what we can plainly see with our eyes only adds more confusion to the debate.

-- Frutty (tutti)

Software_Pyrate · Veteran Member

I got it now fruit....I'm on satellite so its always on the jinks...I refreshed the page 3 times and it still didn't come in...that is....until now...

Ya....those type of vids spook me a little....cause there real!

Software_Pyrate · Veteran Member

Ya everybody....I totally didn't mean to discourage or undermind anybodies work.

This is just coming from myself...that I see faces in almost everything youguys put out and I knew there was a reason for it.

I was just trying to make everybody aware OF THIS FACT...That we all do it(that is...have that ability) and should be mindful of it...nothing more.

Other than that....keep up the good work!

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Frutty, we had this conversation back in April and it ended unpleasantly, we don't really want to go back there again after all the headway we've made on the Forum since then.

Mount Rushmore is clearly carved and clearly photographed and we've had posts on the Forum like Tsads post with the carved head that was clearly visible. There is a difference between a carved image that is clear in a photograph and 'shadow-faces' that are there but may be a result of our active minds creating the face as SP suggested below.

With the NASaTY images its hard to detail it enough to say conclusively what we are seeing on Mars and the point is that Xenon and the Mods would rather Members concentrate on anomalies we can try to prove rather than inconclusive 'faces' that may be a result of our over-active minds.

Its not a requirement, but Members have been told that posts that venture too far into that 'grey' area will be censored by the Mods. Members have also been warned that posts that are based on 'tampered' images that require a special process that not all can follow may also be censored in line with Skippers belief that all evidence should be presented in a manner that can be replicated by those that follow the evidence for themselves.

We are currently skirting around this issue with all of the images being posted, and tolerance is being shown by the Mods to encourage conversation and possible breakthroughs in technology that any Joe Public could follow. Lets not test that tolerance by adding the 'shadow-faces' issue to the pot yet again.

We have enough information to discuss with what has been posted in the last two weeks without venturing into that area again.

fruitnut1 · Dedicated to the truth

Chandre wrote:

Video embedding is still enabled ?

SP, you are right. We all need a reality check at times.

The 'face' issue is always controversial as I can see faces in the mosaics around my bath and I know they are not actually there, its just my mind connecting the dots so to speak. Thats why trying to prove faces in the images will always meet resistance because we are all aware of this factor. That does not mean there are NO faces at all in the images, its just means its difficult to present in a scientific manner to the general pubic.

Ok, Chandre let me put it as soft a I can. How can you prove scientifically that the faces at mount rushmore are really faces, supposing you don't have access to the footage of them building them .... confuse

-- Frutty

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Video embedding is still enabled ?

SP, you are right. We all need a reality check at times.

The 'face' issue is always controversial as I can see faces in the mosaics around my bath and I know they are not actually there, its just my mind connecting the dots so to speak. Thats why trying to prove faces in the images will always meet resistance because we are all aware of this factor. That does not mean there are NO faces at all in the images, its just means its difficult to present in a scientific manner to the general pubic.

fruitnut1 · Dedicated to the truth

I guess they have disabled the video embedding here's the link http://www.youtube.com/user/kiuhy8#p/a/u/6/ZLRN59RUNbk

Mod Note: Video embedding is not disabled. Above link takes you to the relevant YouTube channel, not the video itself. The proper link to this video is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLRN59RUNbk

-- Edited by Humanoid on Sunday 18th of July 2010 05:20:36 PM

Software_Pyrate · Veteran Member

Ya, I hear ya...

I didn't mean to step on any bodies toes....over here...

But I try to be some what scientific when investigating and try to hold myself to certain standards...

This just helps me come back to earth sometimes...

PS
where's the vid?
How bout a link...

BBS

fruitnut1 · Dedicated to the truth

Hey software, glad you brought up this subjects as it's been constantly in my mind lately.

Here is what I think (drawn from the native american beliefs. If you see something in the sky that looks like a man, that is a man shaped cloud, the same with trees, rocks etc. You see, this naming stravaganza has reached a limit.

It's the vain effort of the reductionist approach to our world against holism which is seeing the interconnection of things. Reductionism has taken over human sciences, and Like the native americans say: you can measure weight height momentum energy calories etc etc ... but science cannot measure the beauty of a sunset or a young woman's face or even something like the smell. How many smellis has a rose to disseminate that mellifluous fragrance (well, there are other antagonistic smells but we rather not touch into that terrain, for example sulphur).

So I think we have obtained from the reductionist approach what we could. It;s time to move forward.

Theres a song by the Beatles in which Lennon says "And though the holes were rather small; they had to count them all; now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall". Enough for counting holes and making up terms that only satisfy their inventors.

Now I leave you with this interesting video by a friend in youtube

-- Frutty

-- Edited by Humanoid on Sunday 18th of July 2010 05:13:48 PM

Software_Pyrate · Veteran Member

I'm probly gonna take some flak for these....but I'm just making a point!

Software_Pyrate · Veteran Member

A few more....

Software_Pyrate · Veteran Member

When doing image analysis, in a field such as ours, YOU MUST, I repeat, YOU MUST take this into account if you consider yourself do be any kind of serious researcher.

Apophenia

is the experience of seeing meaningful patterns or connections in random or meaningless data.Pareidolia

Pareidolia

(pronounced /pærɪˈdoʊliə/ pa-ri-DOE-lee-ə) is a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant. Common examples include seeing images of animals or faces in clouds, the man in the moon or the Moon rabbit, and hearing hidden messages on records played in reverse.

An example of how three circles and a line are automatically and subconsciously recognized as a "face," despite the utter lack of any resemblance to an actual human face. This is an example of the algorithms the brain uses for facial recognition working, in a sense, too well

Do you see something more than toast?

My point is....especially with the images that we see everyday...it gets very easy to "see" something when "nothing" is actually there. Hey, believe me...I'm all for our cause, but I think it is very healthy to always "check yourself" so to speak, as any good observer would.

My two cents.