Alien Anomalies

thewatcher · Veteran Member

RE: What possible reason could NASA have to manipulate the data in the way they are doing?

ICEMAN · Senior Member

This is perhaps little by way of discussion.

Who wants this team NASA to the Moon, Mars or just anywhere, who wants to join and interact with the corruption, It is the same greed in each step America puts in place on every mission.

You can be sure that NASA and the U.S. Army has asked aliens of advanced technology for both weapons and vehicles, but if the European Union imposes its members and applicants to strict terms. Will the aliens really do a hundred times more stringent requirements for our.

In this case, we can be sure of one thing: aliens do what they themselves like do here on earth they work in accordance with higher principles than we do and therefore do not ask us about approval for this or the other. The man says, ask me first, but the man does not know the "fish", the man knows nothing about the laws governing the development of life...

If anyone is interested in reading this:

http://www.amazon.com/Hair-Alien-Forensic-Evidence-Abductions/dp/0743492862

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

Like butterflies in the ink-blots ! (reference to the test that the mind doctors use to see if you are 'sane' or not!!) Forget what it is called now...

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

SP, LOL not the dark side...rather a walk on the wild side biggrin

Don't worry, have patience, your eye will come in as have many new members that are now veterans. It takes time. Its a lot like the 3D images you said you didn't get, look at them long enough and you will see it.

Software_Pyrate · Veteran Member

@ onesingledrop and thewatcher...

Man...those two posts have blown me back (pirate in me..)

I really mean that. I have not checked either profile(age) but...it sounds as if both of you are speaking from total wisdom and experience. I could not agree more OSD...

TW, you really inspire me to try and read more in between the lines. Its posts like both of yours that really make me think about why I think the way I do. It is always good to hear such posts as both of yours as it really....really does make me rethink some of the things I think.-if that makes any sense.

You...see....I am divided.

One half looks at those old clementines and I shake my head in disbelief...
The other half looks and these spirit and op. images and can't find a thing wrong with'em.

I think this is in part that I do not have the "eagle eye" vision that alot of you all have, so I find myself saying (quite often) I can't see what everybody else is seeing....And I feel like if I have to use my imagination to "see" then my logic kicks in and says...you shouldn't have to use your imagination!

So...as I read through your guys' posts', I get frustrated as to not be able to see all these anomalies that everybody else is seeing. You will see a lot of my posts going against a lot of Q's anomolies(inpart,i do think he goes off the deep end sometimes) but more so, for the fact that "I just can't see what he is seeing!". But Iam slowly comimng around to the fact that its ppl like him and you guys that are the ones to actually get sh|t done....or atleast...get sh|t pointed out..lol.

Its very well thought out posts like yourselves that really gets inside my head and makes me re-think some things i do. And its posts like all of yours that keeps me coming back...that thirst for knowledge...for truth.

Come to the dark side luke........

thewatcher · Veteran Member

@ SP ..

But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success.

Actually from "War Propaganda", in volume 1, chapter 6 of Mein Kampf (1925), by Adolf Hitler

If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. // If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. // If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it. // If you repeat a lie long enough, it becomes truth. // If you repeat a lie many times, people are bound to start believing it.

The Apollo images have been around 40-50 years.. ( Those images have been through the 50's --no one qustioned them. Danced through the 60-70's --- no one still had a clue but there were a few rumblings, 80's still really we had no reason to question the possiblilities. and then the **** hit the fan in the 90's with the advent and understanding of the internet and the quantum leap in computing. Images were then avalable to all. Software could view images in ways un-imaginable. The majority of the early NASA images were released... The genie outta the bottle.. They'd been getting away with the lies foir so long they became complacent. The Viking/ Pioneer / Zond etc missions. How many of you have actually trauled through the 10s of thousands of images available. You see if you can take your mind back to when you first saw Martian / Lunar image.. There was an innocense we all had. We saw no anomalies. Why? Cause we werent told. When people started to point out anomalies we all start realising that there were strange shapes and markings. Even now some people still take JpLs images at face value.. you see, the lie has been told well enough and lohg enough that they dont really have to change their ways. Sure they've experimented with different types of tamperings over the years.. You just have to look at the funny attempts by the US Navy ( CLEMENTINE lolol) and various masks and also changing of data. But they will always do that. Sometimes a lone kid get into the system .. and sees their simple folder systems.. Cleaned .. not cleaned.

Every day, every hour, every second, images are being transmitted , logged stored, prepped and finally released. Its not a far fetched thought to think that for every image the public is given theres 2-3 thousand classified ones.

So SP.. Your looking at just a tiny few.. Ive heard on good authority that SPIRIT and Oppotunity do most of their image adjustments (im being diplomatic with my words but u get my drift) onboard and the might of the other stuff on Orbiting satelites around Mars before they even get transmitted. So, Most of the staff at JPL dont even know whats going on.

Data now-a-days is dirty and cheap. Its easily changed on the fly. So its quite a simple operation when you think of the brief. Make anyone who believes in UFOs look like idiots, Tamper the images where needed, and lets negotiate a way to .. This is where the world of conspiracies float around! Track the developement of film stocks .. Laptops Almost all our visual tech has at some point passed through the hands of NASA first.

Heres a funny fact that I know First Hand through my dealing in business. The Toy market Most if not all Tech toys .. especially robotic systems have at first also linked patents that have passed through the military first.

I could go on and on and it will get boring and I'll go way off topic.. needless to say whats a few thousand anomalous images in the huge Military industrial Complex? Nothing!

Thats why what we are all doing in some way will tip the cart eventually.. just remember these giuys have awfully big secrets.

The mutterings of
TW
Cheers

One single drop · Senior Member

On advanced planets science deals with two essential questions: Who are we ? What`s the nature of the universe , we live in ? This is the purpose of science on advanced planets, dealing with the two most important questions. On earth science means : We present you 6238 hair shampoos and a lot of weapons to control you and make you afraid , but no solide explanation for your existence and for the universe you live in.

Science on earth is representet by sharlatans and desinformation agents, ruled by stupidity and idleness. A nobel price here, a nobel price there, some diplomas and some nice titles and nothing substantial to say. Mining rights on the moon ? No problem, I write you some selfproclaimed diploma. Need some more ?

Not to talk about the socalled leaders of this world. God, a freakshow and you out there know that very well. "The seafood is safe."

Lord, they try to treat us like cattle, but we are no cattle, we carry with us the sparks of this universe, we beware an everlasting fire in our hearts, a neverending fire, warming, but never burning.

Earth is not an isolated planet at all. Earth is interacting with other civizations, with the universe, since ever. Maybe it is really a farm or a laboratory full of human mice. I do not know. What I know for shure is, there are many, many others around us, all kinds of them and we are not aware,`cause of our reduced consciousnes. Feeded with the illusion of choice : 6238 shampoos ! Can you imagine 6238 kinds of shampoo on planet earth avaiable for everybody ! More shampoos than you can get in the whole galaxy. A reason to visit us....

Years ago I stopped watching television, I stopped buying junk and I stopped producing junk ( Okay, okay, I reduced my production of junk significantly. ), just to wake up one morning in the midst of a society completely on drugs. I found out that I did not have a communication problem, but that most of the people I had to deal with, had a serious communication problem.

I understood what they told me and why they told me what, but they could not understand those things their consciousnes ( focus) was not be able to detect for them. They just did not see and feel it.

And our soulless scientists got the same problem: Knowledge without consciousnes. To get some basic scientific knowledge is important.

But knowledge without advanced consciousnes brings mankind into deep trouble and allows others to do whatever they want to do to them. This will go on till our pseudoscientists stop ignoring what their inner voice trys to tell them all the time. Listening to this natural gift will transform them into a better being, full of grateful understanding and full of respect to the universe. To reach this level, you have to reduce the loudnes of the world and ignore silly gifts, whilst still participating to the noisy show.

Software_Pyrate · Veteran Member

@ Q

Playing the devil's advocate......

Arn't there enough images that they could "throw away" a few...

There would not be any suspicion as there are 1000's of images....whats wrong with just throwing away a couple hundred opposed to tampering them all to hell and REALLY raising suspicion.

I think your logic is not sound.

Think about it...
(still playing devil's advocate)
Why release 1000's of "tampered" images that will REALLY raise suspicion to 10's of 1000's of people when you could avoid that all together and just not show'em.

To say...people would get suspicious is not correct as they would not have anything to get suspicions about. The scientists" would have more than enough images to go throw and make claims on....

Its just not logical
Of course....IMHO

Software_Pyrate · Veteran Member

Ya....I hear ya.....

I am just SO against non-disclosure due to fear.

Yes, we are violent and primitive by nature..., but not all of us....

thewatcher · Veteran Member

Sp... Rock and a hard place... Things are very very complicated with these images we deal with. The story unfolding is a little contraticory. Humans fall out with each other over the littlest thing. From seeing faces in rocks to the colour of the rag they wear in their back pocket. What do you expect. Im not wearing rose tinted glasses. I say it as I see it. We are a distructive species. A guy gets sacked at work and comes back the next day and wastes his friends and collegues. If I were an alien I'd give earth a wide birth.. I just think some of those cousins of ours up there are very very serious indeed and dont mess around. Judging by the fact that Nasa got a scare and a desperately trying to hide the truth for commercial, political and the other. It has to be said that we may just open pandoras box!
When you sit down and think hard about what is an alien.. what that implies , what that could really mean, its only natural to be weary of whats on horizon! Ive seen too much to trust anything and im a noob in this field.

cheers

Software_Pyrate · Veteran Member

@thewatcher.....

"Theres too much riding on this. Our whole way of life is based on this knowledge not getting out! Our religeous and banking systems would collapse if there was even a wiff of what was floating, fighting, eating or whateverup there"

I'm sorry T.... exactly this kind of thinking that things are covered up in the first place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To say our whole way of life would collapse is just not giving credit where credit is due. Yes, I'm sure there would be some that would have a hard time "letting" go of there primitive way of life, but to say everything would just go into kaos and totall anachy would happen is the reason TPTB are covering stuff up in the first place. To not give the human race credit is a total insult to me or anybody else. By saying that....you are saying we cannot think for our selves. That the powers that be are the reason we have "order" in our soiciety....that is complete bullcrap.

The very fact that you believe that reinforces what they are doing to YOU in the first place. I know your not saying this...but...logically, in hindsight, you are saying that they are doing this for good reason, and that therer whole power money structure would collapse...IT IS EXACTLY THAT KIND OF "FEAR" THINKING THAT GOT US HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

People that give up there freedom for temporary security.....Deserve neither

thewatcher · Veteran Member

Oops , sorry, as with most things on the iternet and old most of these links dont work but the infos accurate and im sure cross ref' ing can be done to locate info needed.. sorry guys.. And thanks John Lear @ The Living Moon..

thewatcher · Veteran Member

Timewarp wrote:

Also, would I be correct in thinking that George W. Bush, when he was in power, laid claim to the mineral rights on Mars as well?

No hes the puppet.. Wanna see whose the big shots.. These are guys completely under the radar but pull all the strings and of cousre have their string pulled..

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Moon_Rights.html

Since when has anyne had the right to patent parts of the moon!
Ask your congress men about that... These are the big fish!
Now im going to to a rare thing paste a lot of stuff... please read when you can.. check the patents office its free online..

Dr. Joseph A. Resnick

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NAT2DTC

The National Anti-Terrorism Technology Development and Training Center was founded by Dr. Joseph A. Resnick for the purpose of advancing technologies for use in the fight against Domestic and Global Terrorism. The Mission of the NATTDTC is to provide the latest, finest and best technologies to aid Law Enforcement, the US Military, and Allies of the USA to advance domestic and Homeland protective capabilities on a proactive basis. The Philosophy of the NATTDTC is to maintain America's technological superiority and tactical advantage through constant and vigilant practices; through education to enable precise, decisive action(s) and methods aimed at eliminating Terrorists and all acts of Terrorism, in order that all Americans may continue to enjoy Life, Liberty and Freedom. The NATTDTC is not affiliated with any political group nor any political party, religious organization, Federal or State Agency, nor any Governments, nor individuals Foreign to the United States (e.g., "United Nations"). The NTTDTC does not accept financial support or donations from any religious organization(s), political action committee(s) <"PAC's">, nor any 'Special Interest Group'. All research and development activities and the technologies developed through affiliation or sponsorship of the NTTDTC are funded entirely by private American Citizens specifically for utilization in the protection of America and Americans. The NATTDTC is in the process of establishing four (4) educational training centers at strategic locations within the Continental United States. The NATTDTC provides training and educational services to Private Citizens, Law Enforcement, First-Responders, EMT's, State and Local Employees, and to certain elements of the U.S. Armed Services. Educational programs are designed to raise awarness of issues related to the Global War on Terrorism, to enhance American Infrastructure and to improve individual capability to assist in the resolve of U.S. Homeland Defense. SOURCE

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Bio

Dr. Joe Resnick is an accomplished Applied Scientist, Author, Electro-Mechanical Engineer, Lecturer, holding 26 Patents (12 Classified) with extensive lateral skill sets in medicine, electrical and mechanical engineering, earth and space systems architecture/component design, defense security programs, global communication systems architectures engineering and Military/Homeland strategic defense.

He is a recognized expert in strategic defense program design, functioning in various public and private consultancies to both the US Government and Department of Defense.He has directed non-classified strategic national and international defense initiatives for next-generation and future (Space and Soldier Systems) technology research & development programs. Dr. Resnick is a recognized international authority who is proficient in the areas of secure theater-wide communications operations, clandestine procedures, encryption methodologies and the design of secure communications networks within a defense environment. He is a noted authority in the areas of COMSEC, INFOSEC, HAARP and SIGSEC. SOURCE

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Intro

Dr. Joseph A. Resnick has a 25-year history of collaborating with NASA to utilize 'Spin-Off' technologies to advance a multitude of scientific disciplines and to commercialize NASA technology. Presently, Dr. Resnick is the Director of Science and Technology for NxGenUSA Corporation of Pittsburgh, PA and Alexandria, VA. In this capabity Dr. Resnick has oversight of the Future Soldier Systems Divisions in advancement of US Patent # 6,272,781 (Reactive Body Armor); the Vehicle Up-Armor Division in developing up-armor kits and next-generation ballistic-grade vehicle components, and the newly- established Biodefense Division which utilized NASA-developed encapsulation technologies in developing countermeasure products for use in anti-terrorism scenarios. Dr. Resnick is the Founding Director of the National Eco Counter Terrorism Institute for Policy and Analysis in Alexandria, VA. SOURCE

Other Data

An Operational Delivery System to Countermeasure WMDs
Utilizing Dr. Resnick’’s Encapsulation Apparatus and. Products. Products Under US Patent 5807724.

Website:
The National Anti-Terrorism Technology Development and Training Center

Dr. Joseph A. Resnick, Inventor of RABBIT/HotTop Ballistic Up-Grade Kits
Up-ArmorUSA Division of NxGenUSA Corporation
Contact Information
Dr. Joseph A. Resnick, Chief Scientist
NxGenBodyArmorUSA
206 Freedom Lane
Natrona Heights, PA 15065-3901

724-224-2606
Email: jreznik888@yahoo.com

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Universal Mineral Leases Registry.Com was created by Dr. Joseph A. Resnick, a contemporary Scientist and Inventor. Dr. Resnick has worked with NASA for more than 28 years on various projects, including the Space Shuttle and Space Suits, and he has developed medical devices for use in Space Flight. One of Dr. Resnick's discoveries was featured by NASA in its Tech Briefs Magazine in September of 1994, where his development of technologies used to clean up oil spills was featured:

Dr. Resnick is a successful entrepreneur and holds numerous U.S. and Foreign Patents related to his discoveries. Dr. Resnick's own 'Vision for the Future of Space Exploration' is that someday, at some time in the future, Mankind will leave the earth and colonize both the Inner and Outer Planets. One can only speculate as to when that will occur ... but someday ... it will happen. And, because of the present state of the Space Law, Dr. Resnick believes that the inhabitants of Earth are entitled to profit and benefit, directly, from such space exploration.

Because Dr. Resnick is a Chemist and has a direct appreciation for the value of Minerals and Elements, his opinion is that certain elements found only on certain planets in our Solar System, as well as those yet unidentified, will need to be harvested, someday, by Mankind. And since no country on the Earth is permitted to own anything from space or of extraterrestrial origin, Dr. Resnick believes that the inhabitants are the rightful owners of such elements. Thus, he created the Universal Mineral Leases Registry...
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The Chief Scientist of NxGenUSA is Dr. Joseph Resnick, developer of special radar absorbing coatings for air platforms, such as the F-117 Stealth Fighter, is a former NASA Scholar and current consultant to NASA. Since 9/11/01 Dr. Resnick's research and development efforts have focused on Future Soldier Systems and Future Force Warrior initiatives, a DoD initiative. Those efforts include development of PIR (passive infra red) technologies that enables "See-Though-Walls" capability...
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In the Summer of 2004 Dr. Resnick was brought into a U.S. Dept. of Interior visual mitigation study to research concealment of large structures on public land for scenic environmental improvement. The design team of Dr. Resnick, an expert in low observables joined Lt. Col.
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Dr. Resnick (former NASA scientist and current consultant to NASA) states "Space law does not allow countries to have land ownership on planets and moons in the solar system but it does allow for the Mineral Rights to be obtained by individuals and companies. The countries party to the Space Treat Act have agreed that none of them has either jurisdiction nor ownership of any extraterrestrial body, nor samples."

Dr. Resnick found the loophole in Space Law 25 years ago that allowed him ownership of all planetary bodies outside the "Third Planet from the Sun"... submitted this to the World Court at the Hague, and to the United Nations in New York City. In 25+ years no one has ever disputed Dr. Resnick's claimed ownership.
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This loophole in Space law has been a growing concern to Scientists, however, most were unaware that Dr. Resnick had foreseen some of these issues long ago when he obtained ownership of the mineral rights.
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Dr. Timothy R. O'Neill
Guy Cramer

"HyperStealth" is a registered Canadian and United States Trademark of HyperStealth Biotechnology Corp. Trademark of Guy Cramer and Timothy R. O'Neill

SOURCE: HyperStealth Biotechnology Corp.

Guy Cramer
(Ion Scientist, Geophysics Research Assistant, Multi-disciplined Consultant)
He is the Director of Trinity Consulting:
HyperStealth Biotechnology Corp.

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HAARP likely not Primary Ionospheric array in Alaska

At 3.5 Billion Watts HAARP may be second to a secret and hidden FIPA array near Poker Flat

by Guy Cramer

In reviewing information disclosed through the Freedom Of Information Act concerning the initial concepts and bidding on HAARP (High-frequency Active Auroral Research Project), I came across relevant information that HAARP was not the best choice for the Project, this was to be the FIPA (Frequency-Independent Phased-array Antenna) FIPA patent# 5,274,390

The executive summary of HAARP indicates the best place for the Array was Poker Flat and not Gakona, Clear AFB was the optional choice for the HAARP location and has the power facility on site to supply a heater array of these proportions. Prime power at Clear Air Force Station is obtained from the station's coal-fired power plant, which is capable of producing 22.5 megawatts of power. (Clear AFB is a large DOD area located west of HIPAS [HIgh Power Auroral Stimulation], and is almost an equal distance from HIPAS as HAARP is to HIPAS) HAARP is run by U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory's Space Vehicles Directorate while Clear AFS is also under U.S. Air Force Space Command. SOURCE

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Wild Blue Yonder: San Francisco Photos indicate Shuttle Columbia was struck by Hyper-Lightning on Reentry

by Guy Cramer

The Photos NASA won't yet release to the public concerning lightning apparently striking the Shuttle Columbia on reentry over San Francisco minutes before the breakup have been released in the United Kingdom on a TV documentary called Megalightning. The Columbia Accident Investigation Board reviewed the photos but claimed that the anomaly must be due to camera shake and not an actual lighting strike as no thunder storm was in the local area as had been seen in previous research on high altitude lightning. I have posted these photos from the TV show below. Since receiving these photos in January 2005 provided from Andy Robins (used from the documentary), I have requested the actual photos directly from NASA Administration through the Freedom of Information Act but have not received anything in six months. The evidence within the photos is contrary to the CAIB expert evaluation which may be why the photos have been kept out of public scrutiny.

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There’s Helium-3 in them there Moon hills!
by Guy Cramer December 14, 2004

Moon can be mined for abundant Helium-3 to be used in Fusion Reactors on Earth and Space.

The United States and International Space Agencies will be going to the moon with Purpose!

The current value of pure gold (Au), at today's price is $15,500 per kilogram.

Helium-3 (He3) a rare particle on Earth but abundant on the Moons lunar surface (He3 is required for a fusion reactant - safe nuclear energy) has an energy value in today's dollars is $5.7 million per kilogram when compared to the value and energy potential of oil.

On January 14, 2004 U.S. President Bush announced a new vision for NASA that incorporated a human return to the Moon by 2020, follow-on exploration of Mars and other destinations.

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Large areas of Mars now protected from future commercialization
by Guy Cramer

In November 2004 an article in "Nature", discussed seven large regions on Mars being proposed as Conservation parks by Charles ****ell, a microbiologist for the British Antarctic Survey in Cambridge, and Gerda Horneck, an astrobiologist from the German Aerospace Centre in Cologne, Germany. Each of the proposed areas contain representative features on Mars including the largest Volcano, Mount Olympus, and the deepest Trench, Marineris, in the Solar System. The historical park holds the landing sites of the Viking 1 and Mars Pathfinder spacecraft.

IMAGE

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Space Resources Roundtable (SRR) #6 Explores Materials Handling, Mining Claims, and Planetary Operations. Apollo 17 Moonwalker Harrison Schmitt leads off today's session of the 6th SRR that is meeting thru Wednesday of this week at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden. In his paper 'Solar Wind Helium Concentrations in Undisturbed Lunar Regolith,' Schmitt argues "considerations of the geology of helium in the lunar regolith strongly indicate that agitation of regolith samples before laboratory analysis has caused the loss of solar wind volatiles." Other papers presented this morning will include 'Granular Flow and In-Situ Resource Utilization,' 'Intelligent Excavation for the Moon' and 'Lunar and Martian Fiberglass as a Versatile Family of ISRU Value-Added Products.' In the afternoon, W.N. White presents 'Space Law Update: Real Property Rights and Resource Appropriation,' wherein he discusses the case 'Nemitz vs. the United States.' Gary Rodriguez follows with 'Telepossession Transforms Asteroids into Resources,' and also may present 'Power Lander for Support of Long-Term Lunar Presence' and 'Using Spent Fuel Tanks as Habitats.' A late afternoon discussion on 'ISRU Demonstration Experiments and Flights' will be led by Jeff Taylor.

In 1972, Harrison H. "Jack" Schmitt became the twelfth man to walk on the moon when he served as the lunar module pilot for Apollo 17, the final manned Apollo lunar mission. Dr. Schmitt, the only geologist to ever visit the moon, stayed on the moon's surface for a record 75 hours as he and another astronaut conducted three separate surface excursions and collected some 243 pounds of rock and soil samples. He had earned his doctorate in geology from Harvard University in 1964 and was selected by NASA in 1965 as part of its scientist-astronaut program, where he oversaw lunar science training for the Apollo crews. After leaving NASA in 1975, Dr. Schmitt represented New Mexico in the U. S. Senate from 1977 to 1983. More recently, Dr. Schmitt has been an adjunct faculty member in the department of engineering physics at the University of Wisconsin and has worked as a consultant and freelance writer and speaker on matters related to space, geology, technology, business, and public policy. The lunch, which is co-sponsored by the Honors College and the Wells Scholars Program, will give participants an opportunity to talk with Dr. Schmitt about his own experiences as well as the future of the U.S. space program and space exploration, including the return to the moon proposed by President Bush.

23-Feb, 15, F, HH Schmitt, Potential Resources of Mars vs the Moon. 26-Feb, 16, M, HH Schmitt, Evolution and Potential Resources of the Asteroids/Comets ...

NEEP602 Space Resources-Univ. of Wisconsin

UWFDM-1120 Solar-Wind Hydrogen at the Lunar Poles; H.H. Schmitt, G.L. Kulcinski, ... WCSAR-TR-AR3-9203-1 Spiral Mining for Lunar Volatiles; H.H. Schmitt,
27 Papers on Lunar mining...

FTI Publications :: By Author

Civil Engineering Database
Spiral Mining for Lunar Volatiles
by H. H. Schmitt, G. L. Kulcinski, I. N. Sviatoslavsky, and W. D. Carrier, III.
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http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/moon99/pdf/8031.pdf

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/roundtable2004/pdf/6036.pdf

http://astrogeology.usgs.gov/Teams/Geomatics/publications/mrosiek/lunar/rosiek_nvmsep00.pdf

HAARP likely not Primary Ionospheric array in Alaska

At 3.5 Billion Watts HAARP may be second to a secret and hidden
FIPA array near Poker Flat

There’s Helium-3 in them there Moon hills!
by Guy Cramer
December 14, 2004

Moon can be mined for abundant Helium-3 to be used in Fusion Reactors on Earth and Space.

Timewarp · Dedicated to the truth

Also, would I be correct in thinking that George W. Bush, when he was in power, laid claim to the mineral rights on Mars as well?

thewatcher · Veteran Member

Interesting thoughts.
I'll go back to the beginning of the Apollo moon landings.. Cost $500-600 million a landing. Now the images beamed back had to fulfill the tax payers and kennedies wants. if you google whom holds the mining rights on the moon you'll find 3 prominant American industrialists holding the patents, thats not a conspiracy, its fact. And you dig a bit further and you'll find those contractors were deeply involved in the NSA/NASA agency. Now throw in the most powerful, richest banking families into the mix , obviously they bank rolled the whole nightmare (im not mentioning any names here) . Now the other party thats got a whole lot to lose but must feed the masses is the Vatican and associated religeons. theres definately a truce between these arch enemies.. They couldnt afford to screw up. They all had to show something for the lives lost in testing, the hype, the so called race against communism. There was a fly in the ointment though, they had no idea the web was on its way. When Neil Armstrong touched down on the lunar surface , Nasas most powerful computer had the strength of an Apple 2. My watch can compute more today.. So Nasa was ordered, in no uncertain terms, to covered up those images as best they could, hoping the worlds excitment wont notice those hazy hills. Images were mostly hand and machine printed. They even filmed off TV screens lol. Then printed and tampering was based on over exposure and under developing, spots etc.They just had no idea of the speed of technologiocal advancements.

Theres too much riding on this. Our whole way of life is based on this knowledge not getting out! Our religeous and banking systems would collapse if there was even a wiff of what was floating, fighting, eating or whateverup there. They found far too much evidence of alien activity and fudged (well I must say in some cases , masterfully) covered up what they could. We only know what we are told about the solar system.
No more and no less.

Nice thread..

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

If nothing was published, maybe there would be congress questions about why there was nothing published, whereas now, at least NASA can say that the pictures are good enough for scientists to identify the geological features. (just not good enough to identify much else). Need to know vs wanting to know.

They will probably say that anything discovered in the future has been shown all along, and it was not their fault if 'we' did not find the discovered feature.

Software_Pyrate · Veteran Member

"What possible reason could NASA have to manipulate the data in the way they are doing?"

I guess the better question would be....Y show it at all?

Why put images out there...manipulated images.... that are going to be investigated with a fine tooth comb?

Why not just change the image number and sequence and not show the imperfections at all?

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

OK, so there are three kinds of people here.
1) those who believe they have seen enough to convince themselves that there is life on Mars or some other space venue.
2) those who sit on the fence and dangle their feet each side
3) those who cannot find the 'proof' they require to believe that
------ a) there is life on planet X and
------ b) that NASA are changing the data.

For people who fall into category 3 - I would ask them "What possible reason could NASA have to manipulate the data in the way they are doing?" That means the tampering, and the compression and not releasing the images to the best quality they have.

However, if you people who fall into category 3 do think that NASA are releasing their best raw data, then I dont think we can go any further in a discussion. There are enough examples of good images and poor images to realise that we are not getting results consistent with the specifications of the cameras.

But, I would still like to hear the answers to this question.