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SP said:

"It's funny that the one image of a little person, is also closed up in a little ball which closely resembles just a chunk of dirt...."

The crouching figure is not the only figure in the image, there's a side facial view of a 'gorilla' and a second figure can be seen sat down on the plate.

Here's the second figure.....Doesn't appear as a 'chunk of dirt' to me!

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So, you have never speculated on a subject or offered an opinion?

You think there is no merit in scientists putting forward a theory or hypothesis?

How can others know what you are thinking if you do not communicate that you are thinking?

Many people thinking about a topic will inevitably generate some good ideas or valid theories. That is what 'brainstorming' is all about. Have you never done that?
Brainstorming other ideas or opinions do not have to be necessarily correct, or considered, but may spark off another idea from others. It is the very spontenaity that produces new ideas, some of which maybe useful.

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exsactly my point...!!!!!

So why say it is this or that when there is not enough data????

Why go down the path of speculation?

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We need to start ruling out the possibilities that are already on our plate before we start making up new ones... so we can make some head way....somewhere...sometime and how do we do that without proper data? Up until that time it is jut speculation and fuzzy photos.

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I'm all for discovering new things...but when something is discovered( An anomaly )

We need to start ruling out the possibilities that are already on our plate before we start making up new ones... so we can make some head way....somewhere...sometime

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You are absolutely right. 

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That is indeed the poijnt you are missing. I do not wish to contribute to the great mass of fuzzy pictures....

There are enough of those"kinda looks like this" and "what u think about that one" kinds of people....don't think there is cause for another.


Like I said....just stating an opposing view...I don't have to play the game, to make a comment about it.

Do I have to be a carpenter to say a house looks good?
Do I have to be an artist to say the painting is beautiful?




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....post something we can all take a look at and show us that you are worth being an investigator of space photographs like the rest of us By that I meant some anomaly that you have found perhaps. Posting comments or links to other related items is interesting, and topical, but it does not add anything to the body of fuzzy pictures which we are amassing. If I or anyone were to pick your posts apart, we would be picking apart the work of others wouldn't we?

I really dont care if you pick apart the stuff I have posted, thats not the point, but I was trying to get you to come off the fence and post a piece of 'evidence' or an anomaly of your own. It seems I have failed. Oh well.

Yes, the burden of proof may lie with us, (but I doubt that). There is no win situation
for anyone trying to prove anything in this field. Whatever is shown, there will always be doubt. How can you reproduce a 'building' for scientific verification if all the pictures are poor quality. This means that every one of the pieces of 'proof' or evidence can be pointed at and said 'that is so blurry it could be anything".

Surely the burden of proof now is on those who say we are wrong and for them to provide raw original untampered-with data so that we can clear up any misunderstandings.

THAT would really provide proof.



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1) I have made a couple of posts, some more relevant then others.....you or any body else are more than welcome to pick them apart all you please, as this is a public forum, and is open to all kinds of interpretation....here...I'll show you the way.

http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=47797&p=3&topicID=36838466
http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=47797&p=3&topicID=36837110
http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=47797&p=3&topicID=36790387

2) No offense taken...none at all...I'm from Detroit.


3) I am not a skeptic, I am a believer. However, I think for myself, and try to make the best assumption I can based on what I've seen or heard.
I have never not once claimed to be an expert in the field of image verification.....HOWEVER, I have said that my opinion would be the same as "Joe the plumber" numerous times. And from that perspective(the general public) I do not see anything special as of yet.


4) As for this:
"Get of your backside and post something we can all take a look at and show us that you are worth being an investigator of space photographs like the rest of us."

I really don't know how to respond to that, O wait...yes I do.

When making claims...the burden of proof lies on the claimer's shoulders'

Just because you see a spot or face or anomoly...in an image you say quite clearly...is not clear enough, does not make it so.

Allow me to reiterate.

If I say look at this pixelated image of a monkey driving a car...and other peole look at the image and say " ya..I see it too", thats great no harm done. BUT, if some people say Nope, it just looks like a blurry image of a person driving a car, there is no harm done niether, just a point that the one saying its a monkey needs to have more evidencereading.gifthat it is in fact a monkey instead of just showing more pixelated images of the same thing.

Why????...because a monkey driving a car goes against "known" theroies as to what can drive a car.  Nothing wrong with making a wild claim like that...but it will take more than some blurry images to convince the masses that monkeys can drive cars.Therefore, The burden of proof lyes on the one making the claims.

NOT the ones refuting it.

This is the same for any scientific therory....A therory is not LAW until it has been proven over and over again by countless experiments and tests.
ONly then, can it be accepted as such. But if 2 people can not come up with the same results doing the same thing, then thein lies the problem.

The same is true with these images.


I am merely offering an oppossing view to yours. Is this not a forum for just very that? I have said over and over agin that my view is coming from a point of inexperianced eyes....so...If some unexperianced eyes...can "pick apart" your post ...whats that say about your post?  Clearly, more work must go into your end, as you are trying to convince others of what you are seeing.

As for the government plant part......you'll never knowimslow.gif















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So maybe you post something that you have found and let us pull it to pieces.

Oh..... no offence, of course, and I am as much a skeptic as you are, and I agree that some things I have posted could be misinterpreted, and .....and....and....

So, SP I am calling you out.
Get of your backside and post something we can all take a look at and show us that you are worth being an investigator of space photographs like the rest of us. OR.....Maybe you are just a government plant ???? (shock, horror, we dont have those on THIS forum, do we?)

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These are the 8 signs of civilization here on earth...However, they are a good rule of thumb for trying to find other (alien) civilizations as well. Lets go through them.

NUMBER 1:
Cultivation (GROWTH) of crops.

While M.A.R. has made some interesting cases for plant life on Mars, I don't think we have seen any signs of mass cultivation of crops, bacteria, ect, for a large population, in the sense that there would be obvious signs of it.


NUMBER 2:
Domestication of Animals.
While there have been numerous images of "rocks" that may look like some foriegn-alien animal, we have NO difinitive proof of one or any.


Number 3
Permanent cities and homes
This one is highly debateable(which means NOT proven) as countless images of rocks have been made out to be "structures" or "cities" but is really only in the eye of the beholder.


Number 4
Economic Achievements
THis one is obviously not a good fit for aliens. At least not that we know of as of yet.


Number 5
High Levels of Art
Another thing that once agian points to blocky blurred images of something that could be this or that. But once agian Nothing conclusive-Means not proven.


Number 6
Highly Organized Society: governments, rules, laws, and specialization.
If there is in fact a "little people" society...There must be some form of government or general way to act with the rest of there culture. This one is also unconclusive.


Number 7
Intellectual Achievements: the ability to write and communicate, keep records, and have created calendars.
Very interesting, as we have seen nothing clear other than; zoomed way to far in images of what could be one thing or another. But if there is a "little people" society capable of making structures and machines....I think it is logical to assume they have some form of communication.

Number 8
Advances in Technology
The wheel, metal, irrigation

One of the biggest signs in my book....Technology. There have been countless claims of "machines" and "cranes" and "antenna's" over and over again. YET, we have yet to see any of these machines actually doing something or showing them moving something or doing some kind of work.

Its always the same thing...an image of a rock with some irregualar features.



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Lets go deeper deeper down the rabit hole. Assuming there are "little people" civilizations all over mars.....we have to wonder...where is the proof of it? Where are the signs of obvious civilization.

For the amount of people I have heard to be possible on this planet...Does it not strike any body as odd as there are NO OBVIOUS signs of them.
Where is all there food source at? They have to eat don't they? take in some form of energy to survive...so where is it? Let me guess.....under a rock right?....nodisbelief

Ask yourself this, why would a specieces original to the planet...not show any signs of life......or for that matter death.  How about some fossiles...how about some bones...

what about fire....no signs of smoke...no signs of pollution....

Where is all the water at for these civilization to suvive? let me guess...under a rock.disbeliefno

If these little people are everywhere...where are the signs...where are the foot prints....or tracks.....or garbage....or....waste......or...machines. Where is the teraforming at?...even on a small scale it is not visible. Where are the tools these little people use to Carve there structures out of these rocks....?

If they did infact build or erect there stuctures...where is the waste from building them...if they carved them out of a rock...where are the rock fragments that were cut out?

What about communication....Thats a big one in my book.

How come not one of these little guys has tried to investigate this giant machine that is invadeing there cities and towns. If they are primitive...they should be throwing spears or somethingat it....If they are advanced(as a lot of people have claimed with machines and all) then they would be investigating this giant machine with one of there own machines...heck....at least build a latter and climb up the dang thing. But has any of this happened yet....NOPE.disbelief


If they are advanced and can communicate...why havn't they tried to communicate with the rover....or send it some kind of message...weather it be aggressive or passive. If they can build machines and structures is it not logicall to think they can communicate and defend themselves?
So to reiterate....Where are they at.
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If you think this is "them" and believe there are towns and cities and structures and machines....there should be a 1000 of these images...

It's funny that the one image of a little person, is also closed up in a little ball which closely resembles just a chunk of dirt....



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