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Yes, very clever. To submit the very same picture that I am using as evidene for localised weathering. tricky eh?

How do you propose that anyone prooves anything new? I can offer ten thousand images, each one showing what I consider to be proof for my side of the discussion and then you can say, well that proves my point too. So we are no nearer a resolution.

The only thing I would say, is that IF as you say there is proof of weathering on a smallscale (and thats what we are talking about here, so that I dont have to keep repeating it) then it should be all over the place, very obvious to all. If that is what you still maintain, then we should be able to find instances of it in most photos of rocks.

Ok well we have to agree to disagree.

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Well therein lye the problem...the very images I wish to show you (on a small scale) are the very images you are presenting as something different. If i did actually show you anything at all, it would be the very same images you are presentingbiggrin

I say they occur through a natural process, u say otherwise.no

Maybe you are not clear on how things work, please, let me iterate.yawn

I am not the one claiming some exotic process for these quote-unqoute "Anomolies". Why should I have to prove what has already been proven time and time again. If I was the one claiming something new, then the burden of proof lies on my shoulders, however, that is not the case.

And once again, what is the point of small scale, if large scale has been proven already.nodisbeliefhmm

If I show you an Ocean, does that mean there is a puddle around...probably.confuse
If I show you a Boulder, does that mean there are pebbles around...probably.confuse
Ect, ect,ect.

At this point. I will agree to disagree. But it has been eventful.


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As I have merely given an oppossing view, related to, but not agreeing with, your thread.
and that is fine, but what you will notice is that I have asked if there is any evidence to show local wind erosion. By that I mean rocks on the ground (such as we are seeing here and are not huge boulders many meters high).

I have said that I have not seen any evidence of wind erosion in the photographs taken by the rovers. You have said that in your opinion what we are seeing is exactly that.

You have provided evidence from scientists that states that they believe water and wind erosion has been a major factor in the past and you have shown examples taken from space where erosion is said to have taken place.

Now what I think we need to settle the matter is some examples of wind or water erosion as shown by photographs taken by the rovers. Not from space, but from the ground and weathering on rocks that are similar in size to the ones we are discussing in my post. THEN you can argue reasonably that these features are caused by wind or water erosion and I cannot suggest that they are 'something strange'.

How can I prove that these things are not due to wind or water erosion if I cannot find examples of localised erosion on Mars to compare them against? Surely if you claim they are, then you need to provide me with examples to show that this is what we are seeing in these posts.

Do you agree this is how the issue stands at the moment?

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Look, I'm not saying it is for sure wind erosion here. But for you to say:

"I do not think anyone(!) could think this was wind or water erosion"

Is a bit premature. When there is obvious signs of wind and water erosion going on ALL over the planet. I don't understand what conclusive proof you have that makes you think it is anything other than that.

I have shown that it does in fact happen on a large scale. It is only common sense to presume that it happens on a small scale as well. Therefore there is no need to "show" it happening on a small scale.

Merely throwing out all logical explanations and thinking "little people did it" or whatever did it is irrational and illogical.

I'm not saying there isn't something strange going on there, put throwing all common sense out the window to justify what it isn't is just plain crazy.

I think the burden of proof lies on your shoulders now as to show how IT IS NOT erosion of any kind. And I also believe a new thread is not needed due to the original Post stating:

"I do not think anyone(!) could think this was wind or water erosion"

As I have merely given an oppossing view, related to, but not agreeing with, your thread.



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Ok, so this gives me lots of scientists views of wind and water erosion. However, we all agree that scientists do not seem to question what they see in the photographs, and they do not really know the actual martian processes that form these formations. There are many words like 'probably' and presumably' which make me doubt how certain they are, and of course, they cannot draw the correct conclusions if we are not getting the correct data.

Having said all that, we have to work with what we have, and they have attributed these features to wind and water erosion. I have to accept that as the best scientific viewpoint at the moment.

It still does not show me local small examples of wind and water erosion which I have not noticed in the pictures. Maybe you can find some of those - similar to what you posted in another thread - picctures of wind erosion in the desert.

This would be more similar to what we are discussing in this thread.

Pictures taken from satellite can be interpreted many different ways, and a photo of a cliff face does not mean that wind erosion is still continuing at this moment on a local level.

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And my favorite.........

Crater Was Shaped by Wind and Water, Mars Rover Data Shows

The paper, by Steven W. Squyres, a Cornell astronomer, and more than 30 colleagues, summarizes information that has been released over the past several years, and can itself be summarized in two words — wet and windy. As in, water and wind have altered the terrain around the crater as they have done elsewhere, suggesting that the processes are regional in scope.

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So there ya go...


I believe I have sufitiantly proven without a doubt that in fact wind erosion does take place and has taken place on mars

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Erosion and deposition by wind is the most active geologic process on Mars today.


Crater Was Shaped by Wind and Water, Mars Rover Data Shows




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Wind erosion and deposition are powerful agents of surface change on Mars

Wind Erosion Near Mars Crater

Here is an exstensive list of examples of wind erosion on mars
Winds of Mars:

As requested:
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Heck...even evidence of tornado's
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Aehem....

No problem...gimy 10 minutes

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Your own words....

"I do not think anyone(!) could think this was wind or water erosion, but I suppose it could be that on a far off distant planet like Mars"




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You must be joking if you think this pillar and circular space around the base are caused by wind or water erosion.

You appear to be happy to give opinions and to disagree, but a true researcher will show other examples to back up their statement. I will agree with you if there is evidence to show something even remotely similar.

This is what I am calling on you to do.
Show me similar wind or water erosion of rocks on Mars, or any evidence of wind or water erosion for that matter.

If you find any, then start a new thread, but somehow I guess you will not bother and prefer to just make opinions without any thought behind it.

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Once again......


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How on Earth or should I say on Mars is this proof that this is NOT wind or water erosion???????



Yes I see what you are referring to.....but fail to connect the dots when you say it is NOT erosion of any kind....?


Are you suggesting it was erected..? or carved .....? By little people...?


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I do not think anyone(!) could think this was wind or water erosion, but I suppose it could be that on a far off distant planet like Mars. Anyway, I offer this as I see a pillar holding this rock up and a circular depression around the pillar. Maybe some kind of ceremonial place perhaps?

The original is here


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and just in case you cannot see what I am talking about, I have marked with arrows.
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