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"With respect Captain,
should we regard the excellent preservation of the underpants as proof that the conditions on Mars    are not so harmful as expected?"

"John, we do not  know of which material the underpants do  consist, perhaps it`s a titanium alloy? We have to wait for  the results of the spectrographic analysis."


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LOL, I love the underpants bit biggrin Cheers Iceman

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If we can prove Underwater environment, Then we have come a long way to prove what we believe to be true.



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just above the eel, siamese shell, crabby thing, fish and something that looks like an eye hook on a helmet or an anchor. it looks black and smooth.

many other things too.

i agree with ice man as this is/might be underwater environment.

eel and eye ring.jpgwhole eel pic crop eyehook.jpg

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-- Edited by Chandre on Saturday 5th of June 2010 08:40:05 AM

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i have that pic and there are some funky things there.

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Thanks marsrocks,. I suggest that, this picture which will be studied as underwater environment.



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Spirit sol 527 link to image above:

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/527/2P173156766EFFACA0P2440R1M1.JPG




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Spirit Sol 527 near "dragon toy" - this looks like an open sphere:



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site AV - the website database I use does not have pancam entries that far back but there are read hazcam images for sols 1350 to 1354 to 1346 to 1332. Click on my signature and use the web research program. Enter av for the site and select spirit as the rover. each subsequent time enter the date of the last item in the end date field to get the previous 12 items.

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Hi,
Marsrock the "ball" you have found is not spherical. Look it in 3D anaglyph (L7-R1 images). You will see that it has amorph shape and its surface is partially shiny. The form of the shiny part does not match to a spherical object.
I think  you have seen this object as ball because of blurring by zooming.
(In this case the contours of details will be blurred and any shiny patch becames approximately circular or elliptic due to jpeg compression algorythm).


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Again, a cracking find! Do you think the rover would have taken a closer look at such a curious object? Bet it did, we want to see the other pictures of it !

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LOL.  I tried to edit that - too late- should just say 5% glass.



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Until we can attract a geologist to the board, we'll have to try to come up with the competing geological explanation ourselves.

We do know that the mini-tes and alpha particle spectrometer tell us that 5% of the material they are viewing is comprised of about 5% glass - presumed, of course, to be volcanic glass, not manufactured glass.  Glass can also be quite shiny, so we should consider glass as a possibility as well as metal.  Also, glass might stay shiny over vastly longer periods than metals.

Possibly, geogogists may characterize this as a silicate bubble - a glass volcanic bubble similar to what is called a blister.

"Pahoehoe blisters are thin-walled basaltic-glass bubbles formed by the release of volcanic gas from the surface of a pahoehoe flow. Like a glass blower that blows air into molten glass to create a goblet or vase, gas released from lava may force the thin glassy crust of a lava flow to form a large bubble or blister. They are found on all types of pahoehoe flows."

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/images/pglossary/pahoehoe_blister.php

Geologists would likely theorize that this (from Spirit sol 913) was not a seashell but a high silicate - volcanic glass bubble - that broke at some point:


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Also we might consider this as something akin to the tiny glass beads on the moon.

http://www.earthmagazine.org/earth/article/60-7d8-8-1c



By the way, there do appear to be other possible round sphere shaped objects in the picture, as well as a couple of other things that look more akin to artificial shapes - at least to me, and the pahoehoe blister we see in the link I posted above is not nearly this round.





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Hi Papa, it is good to see you

You raise an important question, "why is the sphere so shiny and clean looking", one possibility is the abrasive nature of the Martian dusty winds (as we have seen it does clean the rovers solar cells), another is like you suggest an alien probe, the smaller one does seem to be dusty (there may be another one, lower centre, close to the wedge shaped rock).

My concern is 'how it got there'?, it certainly looks like it has been designed and manufactured, it also looks like it had just been set down, although as far a I know none of the rovers carried such spheres on-board (so it hasn't fallen off the rover), I wonder what NASA has to say about it?




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it's strange how much this object seems to be "new".
it isn't ruined, burned, not even covered by the dust.
i mean, it doesn't seems something that is there from hundred of years...
if we suppose it is a part of a relict or machinery of some sort or a manifactured artifact of an alien civilization of the late past i suppose it should look different...

this could be a probe that alien activities are still running on mars ?

( i don't take in consideration the possibility that it's a part of a human machinery, at least of a human machinery officially known by the public )

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Thanks for work.smile Beauty!!!

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Sol 1314 color images produced from the jpl website data:

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit_p1314.html

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/a....00P2388L2M1.JPG

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/a....00P2388R2M1.JPG

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/a....00P2388L5M1.JPG

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/a....00P2388R7M1.JPG

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/a....00P2388L7M1.JPG

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/a....00P2388R1M1.JPG

 



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Just to let you know, the 'sphere' is not the only object in the image!

If you take a very close look other at other parts of the image, many interesting objects can be found. I downloaded the image but it has to be 'cleaned' up a bit if you want to see what is really on the surface.

Anyway, good spotting Humanoid.

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WOW, really intgeresting as it is the only object in the image
that doesn't seem to fit or belong there. I've got to wonder the size of this sphere.


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Gosh..sol 1314, can't believe I've missed that in the Spirit pancam gallery. Thing is goggog's image is not a single image, but rather a composition of four images (mosaic) and one cannot find mosaics in the raw pancam images. Image# 2P243016986EFFAV00P2388L5M1 is part of that mosaic. And mosaics have altogether different image IDs..learning how to interpret them would be great.

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goggog, thanks for posting the image. I thought that was the one you meant.  I'll try to put up a color image of it probably tomorrow.



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Thanks!!! biggrin

LOL.  Now, I have to try to unravel how I did it...

Take the file name tied to your jpeg and do a google search.

Click on that - and it takes you back to pds - with the site number - in this case 131.

In this case - Click on data - pancam - then site 131.

Search that page for the image set - in this case 2388 (the large number in your file name).

Find a file in the 2388 image set that has a file number ending in *.lis

Click on that and open the file in your browser.

Copy the file number at the end of the links it gives you and go back to google.

Click on the first link in the google results -

Now you are back at pds under a sol # listed in the top gray bar.  This is your sol number.

Now go to jpl - spirit - to the sol number you now have -

Search for an image in the list with a similar time stamp to the one we just got.  That is your image.


Now, wait until qmantoo can unscramble the file numbers and tell us all a much easier method to do this...
confuse
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Excellent, marsrocks, you rock headbang.gif

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Here it is - sol 1314:

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/1314/2P243016986EFFAV00P2388L5M1.JPG




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Thanks for the info marsrocks. I went through these sols for pancam and navcam, didn't find anything. Could be there and missed it though, the anomaly is to small..I chose some stones as references from source image but after going through about 10 images, from then on all stones looked the same to me weirdface.gif

-- Edited by Humanoid on Monday 17th of May 2010 02:08:53 AM

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If qmantoo or anyone can determine the "position" from the file name/number, we can narrow down which sol this is through mer analyst notebook:

http://an.rsl.wustl.edu/mer/merbrowser/browserFr.aspx?tab=map&m=MERA


We just need to interpret the pds file number.  Maybe the pds has a help file which tells us how to do this.






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Oh, yes! Great find, humanoid!  biggrin

Spirit pancam site 131 - set 2388 - encompassing sols 1312 to 1359:

There are enough filtered images available for me to make color images of both left and right views, but unfortunately, they did not hold up well in the conversion to palleted gif for the animations below:

http://pdsimg.jpl.nasa.gov/data/mer2-m-navcam-5-mosaic-ops-v1.0/mer2om_0xxx/browse/pancam/site0131/2ppd14ilfavcyl00p2388l555m1.img.jpg

You may be able to find the exac sol by going through Holger Isenberg's pancam images one at a time from sol 1312 to sol 1359:
http://areo.info/mer/spirit/1312/

It is available in color, so he may have processed it, but there is no guarantee it will be there, as these images are released at such unpredictable intervals.

 



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nice shot : of course it's something of metallic and reflecting.
the shape seems to suggest strongly an artificial origin.


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Humanoid wrote:

but it'll be hard to find the exact sol I'd imagine..




Unfortunately I too not in a courseno



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Yes goggog, thank you! We now have image source url and site number, but it'll be hard to find the exact sol I'd imagine..

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Are satisfied by the data under my reference?

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Cheers goggog smile



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Humanoid wrote:


goggog, can you please provide me with the image source as I've lost track of it and also point me to the thread where it was first posted? Thanks



-- Edited by Humanoid on Sunday 16th of May 2010 07:27:58 PM



My message and the reference here:
Черепа, головы, маски, птиц и других товаров. Потратьте некоторое время с этим один! - Alien Аномалии

And the data of a picture knows is better marsrocks

Excellent work.handshake.gif Like even second ball hardly more to the right

 



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This is an image from Spirit, site 131 sol1314 

A small metallic looking spherical object can be seen some distance from the rover.  

goggog, can you please provide me with the image source as I've lost track of it and also point me to the thread where it was first posted? Thanks


Source

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Edit to add: sol number

-- Edited by Humanoid on Monday 17th of May 2010 03:04:51 AM


-- Edited by Humanoid on Monday 17th of May 2010 05:05:30 PM

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