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It is my personal opiniion that no 'natural' mesa would create shapes like that but I do not rule out the possibility. The interesting thing is that two earth-based sites of unknown origin in two very removed locations also show similar intelligent design as in straight walls and conical structures. I have seen the Zimbabwe walls with my own eyes and the construction defies all current explanations and is not in keeping with anything else currently standing in the area. Now, I guess until we can get clearer images of Mars and examine anomalies like this more closely we cannot draw conclusions we can simply theorise and discuss similarities. However, considering that we have direct access to the two Earth-based sites and still cannot reach or agree on any definite conclusions about their origins I highly doubt we would ever be able to come toa conclusion on an alien site !!

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1)Another discovery of an Earth-based similar styled ruin on Malta

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I notice that this structure, although similar to the Great Zimbwawe, is too symmetrical.  I would still assume the anomaly is probably a funny-shaped mesa.  The shape is interesting, though.


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Another discovery of an Earth-based similar styled ruin on Malta

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Wow- Very interesting, whatever it is.

I've spent a lot of time looking closely at mars & I've never seen anything like this.

However, I have seen What looks like smaller architectural features designed to look natural- they don't always blend perfectly. To me, this looks like the remains of something like that- the way it's rounded off.

The only type of natural formation I've seen on Mars are heavily layered mesas that sort of come to a point on top. I think they might be in a place called the Valley of Night or something like that, in one of the chasms.

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Chandre wrote:

OBrien, if you had followed your own advice given on a previous thread and researched the subject you may have seen this...

The ruins span 1,800 acres (7 km²) and cover a radius of 100 to 200 miles (160 to 320 km).

So, correct me if I am wrong but the ruins in Zimbabwe are in fact FAR LARGER than the ones in the image under discussion. Are you still of the authoritive opinion that there is no similarity worth discussing ?


Yes, thank you, I did read that very article. It is fascinating. I was not aware of this part of early Zimbabwe culture until now. When I read the article I was at first puzzled by the apparent contradictions about the reported size of the site versus the image and schematic you posted. The trees shown inside the enclosure were obviously not tens of km in diameter, and the schematic's scale confirmed that.

The site ranges hundreds of km. The individual structures like the kidney-bean shaped enclosures shown below are no larger than ~100 m.

I absolutely agree that the site containing all the ruins is much, much larger than the Mars image area. I cannot find any information, however, about a specific structure with the same rounded features that is anywhere near the size of the Mars structure.

So when comparing the similarities, the similar portions of the Zimbabwe ruins are 1/10 the size of the object being copared to on Mars.

My comment was not dismissive of the similarities in shape of the two structures. They clearly have some common features. It was my opinion that size or scale was not a feature they had in common.



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No, I am referring to the actual size. The images I posted are from one small area of the site and were just to highlight the unusual architectrural features that are similar to the picture Frutty posted.

OBrien, if you had followed your own advice given on a previous thread and researched the subject you may have seen this...

The ruins span 1,800 acres (7 km²) and cover a radius of 100 to 200 miles (160 to 320 km).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Zimbabwe

So, correct me if I am wrong but the ruins in Zimbabwe are in fact FAR LARGER than the ones in the image under discussion. Are you still of the authoritive opinion that there is no similarity worth discussing ?

Just for fun, heres another image of a different part of the complex. Anyone else see any similarities ?

Ruins 006.jpg

I may be wrong.....maybe the ancient race that built the ruins in Zimbabwe also owned racing cars and this was a large Grand Prix circuit no


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With regard to the picture is Chandre clearly talking about relative proportions, it is obvious. 



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Chandre wrote:

I think even the size scale is similar.



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According to http://www.flashcardmachine.com/great-zimbabwe.html and the scale visible on the diagram, the maximum diameter is <300 feet. That would make it 1/10th the linear dimension of the ~1 km Mars feature, or 1/100th the area.

I would not consider that the same size scale for the purposes of this discussion.

 



-- Edited by Chandre on Thursday 29th of July 2010 01:24:39 PM

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It is certainly strange and unlike other structures that we are used to. I do not know if the scientists at NASA have any explanation for this, do they? Maybe they would just describe it in terms of its features and leave it at that.

I only mentioned that they may be mounds/dips because sometimes a picture needs to be flipped to get the correct topography for craters.

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Amphiteatre may be the incorrect word, it should be temple complex.

Below are two images of a World Heritage site in Zimbabwe commonly referred to as the Great Zimbabwe ruins. Not all that much is known about the site, but there is a lot of speculation.

http://jeroldrichert-novels.com/Zimbabwe%20Ruins.html

The interesting thing at this site is that most of the construction is rounded and lacks symmetry but it is there, it was built by someone and seen from the air there are similarities with what Frutty has posted.
 I think even the size scale is similar.

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qmantoo wrote:
They could be like our hill forts in the UK or maybe these are ditches and not mounds(as they appear in this picture) which may be a kind of opencast mining operation following a seam of a mineral?


The shadows of surrounding craters gives indication of the sun direction, and the shadows of the feature subsequently show it to be a mesa rising out of the landscape, not a depression into the landscape

There is no evidence this is an amphitheatre or any other built structure. It is an irregular shape, lacking symmetry. An inevitable counter-argument will be about its alien nature and purpose and that we can't know that it wasn't intended to be non-symmetrical. But that's having both sides of the argument. "When it's symmetrical it's obviously a building and when it's not symmetrical it's an alien building" is tantamount to saying everything is a building.

At approximately a mile in diameter, the idea that it is a place for ceremony and celebration in an amphitheatre setting lacks credulity. The passing resemblance to rows of seats is amusing, but out of scale for actual functionality.

The total lack of any other supporting evidence in the surrounding terrain again belies this as an artificial structure. Nothing argues in favor of "stadium" versus "funny shaped mesa."

With sufficient imagination, I can play the game as well.
"It's a Martian "Le Mans-style" racecourse for Martian racecars. That would explain the size and the asymmetry of the course, the lanes, the pit crew area, the entrance (that's a big parking lot to the left)." But without any other corroborating evidence, it's just a flight of fancy, based on a similarlity to something I'm familiar with.

"Amphitheatre" or "funny shaped mesa"? There's no evidence other than speculation for the former; there's plenty of examples of the latter.

 



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They could be like our hill forts in the UK or maybe these are ditches and not mounds(as they appear in this picture) which may be a kind of opencast mining operation following a seam of a mineral? Pure speculation of course.

Edited to remove reference to previous comments that were in violation of Forum rules

-- Edited by Chandre on Wednesday 28th of July 2010 06:27:29 AM

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Also a short video clip I made some time ago on this object

 

 

 



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I thought it would be interesting to refresh this post. So many things have happened since I first found this.

 

The Ascraeus Mons on Mars is not a Volcano and the surrounding terrain is full of cities. Here is my take (as concept artist) of the real ascraeus Mons strip P14_006600_1881_XI_08N102W  that contains the strange object (1 mile accross)

 

P14_006600_1881_XI_08N102W.jpeg

 

And here is the outrageous object

 

P14_006600_1881_XI_08N102W_071223sub_large.gif

 

 

Study the evidence:

Link to main structure http://www.msss.com/msss_images/2008/02/14/P14_006600_1881_XI_08N102W_071223sub_large.gif

Context: http://viewer.mars.asu.edu/planetview/inst/ctx/P14_006600_1881_XI_08N102W#start

If the previous link does not work anymore I backed up the url cache at http://backupurl.com/u4h9fp

Google Mars coordinates: Latitude 8.08N Longitude 101.82W

 

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I hope this is proof, beyond any reasonable doubt, that Mars was once inhabited by a race of aliens that built enormous structures for their own rituals and celebrations.yawn



-- Edited by Humanoid on Friday 26th of March 2010 10:18:34 PM

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http://www.msss.com/msss_images/2008/02/14/P14_006600_1881_XI_08N102W_071223sub_large.gif

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-- Edited by Humanoid on Friday 26th of March 2010 10:22:18 PM

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