Alien Anomalies

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

RE: Lunar Space Suits

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Thanks gmantoo, that gave me a good giggle... biggrin

Do we still need to wonder if the sites are being monitored I guess imitation may be the sincerest form of flattery LOL...

FYI

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

I thought you all might be interested in the image of the day (1st April 2010) which shows a drinking fountain (it being April Fools Day) and suited astronaut (with poor reflection image in helmet) and fake shadow of cameraman.

I just wondered if there might be something in this kind of photo that was not in the others? It really depends where they got the original from I suppose.

image of the day 1st April 2010

thewatcher · Veteran Member

Full cut and paste from Last year

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AS17-141-21608 (13 Dec. 1972) --- Astronaut Eugene A. Cernan stands near an over-hanging rock during the third Apollo 17 lunar surface extravehicular activity (EVA) at the Taurus-Littrow landing site. Scientist-astronaut Harrison H. Schmitt took this photograph.

If you look closer at the reflection in the helmet of Astronaut Eugene A. Cernan, you will n otice a small figure. presumably scientist-astronaut Harrison H. Schmitt took the photo. But all isnt as it seems.

SOURCE: http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo17/html/as17-141-21608.html

Below is the original image to give some context of the position of Astronaut Eugene A. Cernan. .

Below: We take a closer look at the helmet with no enhancements. Incredibly the anomalies are quite clear. 2 throne liuke structures appear opposite each other with a statue (so called photographer) in between.

as17-141-21608head

Last Updated on Tuesday, 08 December 2009 06:00

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thewatcher · Veteran Member

Sorry fruitnut... lolol just an amazing image... lets just say the astronuagt was pasted over the image and whats in his visor is the rock behind..

fruitnut · Member

Oh, Chandre again this is Mr. White's work, I thought it would be related to the issue at hand hmm

fruitnut · Member

Never mind watcher, The photpographic studies are not mine:

Jack White's Studies – General File A
An extensive study of Apollo imagery by photo analyst Jack White
All studies © 2005/7 Jack White

http://www.aulis.com/jackstudies_1a.html

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Really nice work fruitnut, you raise two important questions and I love the mirror comparison

Iceman- well spotted, that does look like a wris****ch and Skipper mentioned the ungloved hand.

Thewatcher - do the fingers look to long to you ? I see them as being longish and articulated but still within the norms and ending before the cuff ? But I can't always trust these eyes on the smaller images LOL...

thewatcher · Veteran Member

Emmm... lol I think we broke this story 8th December 2009...lol but anyway. Fruitnut theres more here than you know. Im a bit unsure what youre implying but you need to understand the angles... There is more .. believe me. We just havent released it for just this reason.

I'll show you a little.. Hal will kill me but I need to let you know that you need to treat this site with a lot of caution as this maybe one of the biggest finds on the
web so far.

Alot of work has been put into this location. Whats going on here is hugely complicated !! But fun ..

SEE the face in the red ?BOX on right.

I know things are amazing but you may miss the finer detail.

fruitnut · Member

fruitnut · Member

thewatcher · Veteran Member

Yup, there's a problem... Do you notice how the fingers go behind the white upright

(blatent tampering, i think). Look how long the fingers are (of course if they're fingers).

This is really tricky as compression artifacts are on the loose so further investigation will be needed.

Nice find ICEMAN

ICEMAN · Senior Member

thewatcher, Harry and their group, this is grate job, ,Look closely at astronauts (to the lift) hands, I put an arrow on something which seams to be a wris****ch. If you examine the hands very closely it seams the astronaut is not wearing glows, yes I'm nearly sure about it see the right hand the grip is very deep and wide, not like USA astronauts gloves which are short fingered and clumsy.

astrostudycomp-hands,2.jpg

thewatcher and gang this is maybe small step for you bud very big step for the mankind.

thewatcher · Veteran Member

Cheers Chandre. heres a little more..

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

thewatcher, Harry and their group have done some interesting work of their own on this matter.

Please see

http://www.secretplanets.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14:as12-49-7278-this-looks-nothing-like-conrad-more-alien&catid=3:moon-anomalies&Itemid=10

They have kindly granted me permission to copy some of their work here so you can see what I was referring to ....

BELOW:The image below gives a comparison with our mystery figure and Neil Armstrong. Notice the similar poses. There are some glaring differences!

BELOW:A closer look at the helmet of the figure reveals a perplexing problem. The structures pass under the helmet onto the neck. After much thought it was clear that the helmet visor tint was tampered with. When removed the entire figure takes on a completely different form.

Read more: http://www.secretplanets.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14:as12-49-7278-this-looks-nothing-like-conrad-more-alien&catid=3:moon-anomalies&Itemid=10#ixzz0j1aTwh1D
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-- Edited by Chandre on Tuesday 23rd of March 2010 06:15:03 PM

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Iceman, thats really interesting and exactly what I see when I look at it. Thanks for highlighting it for everyone else.

Its also interesting that the cross-hair market aligns with the corner of that image !

ICEMAN · Senior Member

ICEMAN · Senior Member

One of the most peculiarly thing as viewing the reflections in the astronauts helmet is the camera angle which do not fit well as far as my experience in photographing concern.

If I had to copy this as photographing work I would use another picture with all I had to show because of the curved class this would be the simplest way to do that. I think the reflection is only made of the outer protection shield. My conclusion is this: The reflection is made in studio using Moon background and other picture to show the reflection in the astronaut's helmet.

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Gbull, you're right it just gets stranger. Iceman has commented on what colours would look like on the Moon and thats a valid point (unless NASA took that into account when they designed the flag but how would they know for sure). Cernans face reflection suggests that they were a few feet apart and he was slightly lower but that does not correspond with the figure in the reflection. My minds warping from trying to figure it out cry

gbull · Veteran Member

the upper left reflection and cernans "face" could not be possible, because they would have to be very close together,

and where is the reflection of the camera if cernan took the pic?

i can't see what angle cept eye level would produce that.

all very confusing.

it makes me think there were more than 2 people there.

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

As best I can here are my replies ;

@gmantoo -
The boots are darker not white and the reason why I think it is an arm and not a leg is the position in the helmet in comparison to the reflection of the chest pack that would normally hold a camera. Part of the other arm that is holding the flag is also apparant in the helmet at the same height on the other side of the chest pack. A leg and boot would be much smaller because of the distortion caused by the curve of the helmet IMHO.

yes the face would be a reflection of a face within a suit. The astronauts wear two helmets, an inner goldfish bowl clear one as seen in the images of them walking to the take-off and in Skippers report and then an outer larger one that has a gold-tinted visor for protection from the light. I believe it may be possible that the many-layers and bright light sources make it possible for us to see more that one layer in an image.

In this case we are seeing
1) the first layer, which is the reflection in the gold visor of the subject
2) than a second layer which would be the outside reflection of the photographers gold visor
3) and then a third layer which is the inside reflection of the photographers face highlighted by the extremely bright sun.

The face we see cannot be the subject in the photo as he is standing at an angle so it can only be the photographer. This means that Cernan must be the photographer and Schmidt the subject as you can see the difference in their facial features in the photos below.

If the multi-layered image is not a possibility than we have some serious questions as that could not possibly be the lander.

The pictures of the lander are 20461 and 20463, they are the only ones in this sequence but you can use the lander in 20381 or 20382 as these were taken shortly before the image in question.

I personally cannot find any correlation between the lander images and this reflection but I do not claim to be an expert so I will reserve judgment on that.

The astronaut has his back to the lander as detailed maybe more clearly in this image where you can see where he is standing in relation to the rover and then judge in comparison to the two overviews of the lander, rover and flag.
This is image 20386 in the sequence

The brown lump I think you are referring to is the hill. The angle of the curve of the helmets would naturally distort it. We will wait for Humanoids 'christmas ball' tests to confirm that for sure.

This brings up another interesting point which I overlooked earlier and which Skipper has focused my attention on. The anomaly next to the flag in the reflection

AS17-134-20387HR Two flag.jpg

In the extreme right of the reflection, from three to six o'clock is a white item covering the flag and even appearing to throw a shadow onto the flag. Surely this is wrong as there is nothing there in the image. I would imagine that the flag should continue uninterrupted but distorted around this entire curve of the helmet ?

@Sithkiller
Thank you for the feedback. I am not reporting on the small figure as I just do not understand how the reflection with such distortion is possible unless we are perhaps looking at the 2nd layer reflection of subject in the photographers helmet, but even that is wrong as the angle he is standing at does not correspond and there is no flag visible. If it is the photographer in the subjects helmet than this indicates that the photographer is lower and further away and that is also not right. At this point in the curve of the helmet objects should look closer an bigger with the possibility of the middle being large than either end (check the ball Humanoid you will see what I mean).

The object on the ground you are describing is what I see as the weapon (I think we are referring to the same thing ?) The reason I do not think it is on the ground is detailed above, but I am open to correction.

@Skipper
Thank you for your feedback. I agee that the angle of curvature of the horizon and ground do not seem to be in keeping with the angle of curvature on the actual helmet glass.

The item on the ground is echoed by a circular object to the right, problem is I cannot get enough detail to post on it. Frustrating !

@Humanoid
Let us know how the experiment works out biggrin

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Comments on Skippers site. I will reply to all in due course as I am running around a bit today cry

gbull says:

that is a great post chandre. @J.P. and everybody, aren't the proportions wrong for a human body in that freaky little suit? i mean, it doesn't look like a funhouse mirror reflection. does it? i could be wrong!!

Posted on : 2010-03-15 21:31:53

Sith Killer says:

Mr. Skipper- I just had to take more looks at that "reflection" in the helmet. I tried ray tracing some of the contours visible in the reflection(s) and there is definitely something wrong with the hypothesis that we are looking at just distorted reflections. For example of zooming in 400% on the ground off the left elbow of the "hazmat" suit, there is a spherical object sitting on the ground what appears about 3 feet in diameter with an dark band encircling it about the circumference. It is VERY round, not a contour of any object in the vicinity showing in a distorted reflection. Then that "face" visible in the helmet (inside? reflection?) whatever it is the eyes have pupils. There are many other inconsistencies in these pictures. Maybe they were made on a stage, but even then, what with all the seeming strange objects in that helmet reflection? A very curious, and creepy, bunch of pictures!

Posted on : 2010-03-15 17:36:09

Humanoid says:

I hate to be the skeptic this time, but here it is an orthodox theory of mine- Chandre's "lander" and Skipper's upper yellow arrow in image#5 are greasy spots/scraches on the glass surface, better seen or highlighted by the brigth reflection of the light source. Hazmat suit- not conclusive enough, appearance might be due to globe/fishbowl distortion of reflected images. Color of reflected Moon surface- not conclusive, I'll have to experiment with a gold-plated Christmas ball

. "Alien face"- hmm.. no comment. "Beam weapon" seen in Cernan's gloveless hand- I'd say wishful thinking. Last but not least- curvature of Moon horizon? Yes that seems to be the outline of a Moon hill in the distance, what's so strange about it? Sorry guys, we did land on the Moon after all

Posted on : 2010-03-15 16:55:17

J. P. Skipper says:

Nice work at the forum Chandre. Here’s something that I elected not to bring up in my report. Note in the image behind Cernan on the left the curvature of the Moon horizon appears to be strongly represented in this shot. How is that possible in a shot like this? This was also brought to my attention by another via email indicating that others can recognize this problem as well. Did someone just make a mistake in the selection of the background? Also, on the ground at Cernan’s feet appears to be a vase with smoke or the like coming out of it. Note that Cernan’s hand also appears not to be wearing a glove in this shot and he’s outside on the Moon’s surface? These last two items were also brought to my attention by others via email indicating that this is recognizable by others out there. These issues had little to with the point I was trying to make in my report so I left them out. If I had included them, then I would have had to bring up tons of other evidence suggesting that the whole affair was staged on set. I didn’t have the time or space for reporting on all that.

Posted on : 2010-03-15 13:08:39

Sith Killer says:

Hi Chandre- just finished reading your post at activeboard, and looking also at the rex heflin pictures. This is first time I've seen the helmet image reflection(?). In the reflection(?) the funny looking suit does sort of look like a Hazmat suit, the thing in the glove does kind of look like a weapon, and whatever is in that moon suit it sure does not look human. What can one say? The whole thing is creepy.

Posted on : 2010-03-15 09:16:51

qmantoo · Teaching the truth

What makes you think the 'arm' is not a 'leg' with a white boot on the bottom?

I cannot see the face (other than the one you have outlined) and it would be inside a suit wouldn't it? Or.. are you suggesting that the face is not wearing a suit?

I can see what might be the lander, but we have to identify the kind of 'sheet' that is hanging down in folds on the left hand side. the top right is the arm and Earth reflection I guess. The pictures you have posted of the lander for comparison maybe from the wrong angle or taken at another time. Also the astronaut could be looking towards the lander when the photo was taken unless the lander is in the background of the same image.

The brown lump looks like a hill or large rock of some kind in front and slightly to the right of the astronaut. I say this because it ends before the edge of the reflective helmet glass on the right. However, we are supposed to think it is the ground going off into the distance, aren't we?

I am not saying that you are wrong, I am merely putting forward some other ideas and things I cannot see.

I do agree that there does appear to be someone in a biological hazzard suit in the top left though. Thats a bit strange as has been pointed out. I think they must have added stuff to the image to "artistically enhance" it and to give us something to find !!

gbull · Veteran Member

i saw that "weapon" when i cropped that pic from skippers site.

i thought the same thing! lol.

the little suited person is freaky,

the other reflection does look like the lander, which could be reflected back from cernans helmet with his face?

seems like a long shot tho.

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

In my investigations of this image on the net I found it has generated a lot of interest over the years.

One site in particular was interesting as the author seems to have highlighted the same anomalies that I have noticed.

Worth a visit.

http://rex-heflin-ufo-analysis.com/AS17-134-20387/

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

I wanted to add some images that Skipper used in his last post.

This is the source image

AS17-134-20387HR

This is a slightly adjusted (contrast, brightness etc.) of the helmet. You can see the gold tint but you can also see that this does not affect the colours in the flag or the colour of the astronauts suit arm.

AS17-134-20387HR Two Crop.jpg

It would be physically impossible for the lander to reflect in this helmet as the astronaut has his back to it as indicated in these two support images.

The only way we could be seeing the lander is in the double-reflection of the photographers helmet but is that possible. I guess so as we seem to be seeing the photographers face so maybe we can see his helmet as well ?

These are two crops of what should be the lander, it is obviously some type of metallic craft.... but is it the lander ?

AS17-134-20387HR One mETAL.jpg

These are images of the actual lander for comparison

This is a crop of the astronauts suit arm, what I find interesting is the object he appears to be holding. It is obviously something metallic but it resembles a weapon more than a scoop/bucket/sampler/hammer

AS17-134-20387HR Two Weapon.jpg

The last crop is of the orange area in the middle of the image. This is clearly the reflected face of the astronaut taking the photo.

AS17-134-20387HR Two FACE.jpg

This is an image of Cernans face for comparison

And in case you case cannot see the images here they are. The red is the lander reflection. The orange is the face and the blue is the weapon/tool.

AS17-134-20387HR Two Crop Paint.jpg

-- Edited by Chandre on Monday 15th of March 2010 01:37:07 PM

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

thewatcher used an interesting avatar a while ago which started me on a closer investigation of the suits used by different missions. I am going to post those here for interest and reference sake.

Apollo 12

AS12-49-7278 Helmet example.jpg

Apollo 15

600px-Apollo_15_flag,_rover,_LM,_Irwin Helmet.jpg

Irwins suit in the museum. Take a closer look at the helmet.

Apollo 17

Apollo 17 helmet.jpg

As a non-techno, it is obvious to me that the helmets were changed slighty as improvements for each mission. I cannot find anything conclusive on the net regarding this that I can post so this is a personal assumption.

This is the original image the watchers avatar was based on Image AS12-49-7278

This is the official description of the image

This superb picture shows Al holding the so-called "long can", a vacuum sealed sample container more formally called the Special Environmental Sample Container (SESC). Photographer Pete Conrad has just poured soil into the can. We can see that the can is nearly full. The long-can lid is hanging by a cord from the bottom. This photo gives us a good view of the top of Al's Hasselblad camera and the cuff checklist and watch on his left sleeve. Note also that reflections of Pete and the Hand Tool Carrier are visible in Al's visor.

These are two images of the astronauts en-route to the craft. Pete is the first figure and Al the third according to the captions. Note that all three suits are identical.

a close-up of the image in the helmet

AS12-49-7278 Helmet Suit Reflection.jpg

AS12-49-7278 Helmet reflection.jpg

For reference here are two more images of Al holding other equipment. Images ASA12-46-6807 and AS12-46-6806

AS12-46-6807 Bean.jpg

AS12-46-6806 Bean.jpg

I am not posting thewatchers avatar as I do not have his permission, but perhaps he will post that when reading this as there is an anomaly visible in that image.

Take a close look at the suit itself and the helmet and you will notice that something appears to be wrong with the image.

I also have taken an interest in helmet (and other reflections) visible in Apollo images since my work on the Apollo 12 Bean reflection anomaly. I like to play with the helmets to see if I can find what lies beneath.

I had some success with this Apollo 17 image of Schmidt

AS17-134-20471 Helmet.jpg

-- Edited by Chandre on Thursday 11th of February 2010 07:56:50 AM

-- Edited by Chandre on Thursday 11th of February 2010 08:09:51 AM