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Occam  the philosoph and beyond.

We, the moderators, or mods how you have called us, are aware that we  have to deal with very complex mechanisms (  organic mechanisms ) , going from the past into the future, not only touching all common and uncommon sciences, but many aspects of mankind.   Some  of the posters may be not aware of that.  We are interested in science, but we are no ( specialized ) scientists. 

I personally would prefer  a more serious interaction ( dialectic) with "orthodox" science. There are some pretty cool scientists out there and  a lot of bastards .
The "pretty cool scientists" and some of the bastards are on the way to discover that it is pretty hard to make a clear definition of the borderline between organic and anorganic , as the astrobiology conferences of 2010 have shown ( report in preparation). Working on the frontier, some of these scientist are far ahead in their openness to new ideas compared to us, posting in AA.

But this does not matter that much , till there is no deception by purpose going on in AA. Errare humanum est, but to preach the error is evil.  AA is a forum of creation.

 In my personal opinion, each individual experiences  discrepancies between messages of its instincts, a natural gift to everybody and what certain believe systems want him to believe and to do. Some of us try to shut up their instincts, others try to shut up their believe systems. This conflict will go on till the believe system and the messages of the instincts are congruent, means both categories will disappear. Even scientists have  instincts .

 The difference between us and them is: In addition to their instincts they got the datas, which they do not share with us, in fact they have serious problems to share the datas with each other.

Till its beginning science was occult. Science never tried seriously to enlighten the masses, by guiding them to an understanding of their surrounding, of what they are, of their origin and purpose ( if there is any )  and what they are be able to do, or not to do. The main purpose of science on planet earth is commerce, serving a little group, that uses science to dominate the masses. In fact these "masses" are no "masses" at all. These masses are masses of individuals.  

The purpose of science on evolved planets is ennobling. 

 They do not share their datas with us, they hide them, but we share our deepest thoughts, dreams and wishes in this forum. With them, with you, with everybody who likes to look into AA.


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By the way, it seems , our homeplanet just  faces a handsome  little  ecological disaster. Mars once had had oceans....  My instincts tell me : Time to focus on earth. The "hybrids" come into light. May be the last chance to get rid of them.

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Hmmmmm.


I must say this first. I am a believer. I believe in life not from this planet. I believe there are unexplainable things that we just plain don't know enough about.

However, I am also a realist. I need facts. Ineed legitimate proof of something that is being claimed as rock solid....or atleast being claimed as to something that is not the norm. I'm not saying I'm a skeptic that will merely mark it off as "swamp gas, lanterns, satellites,ect. But I don't think its to much to ask, for something that "apparently" is obvious to everybody but me; to provide some decent proof.

I know we can only point out; with what we have to work with. Which is the problem, and leads me to the OP's statement.

No. Not everybody is seeing what you guys are seeing. I show your guys' findings or anomoiles to my friends and family and they too...have a hard time "seeing" what you guys are seeing. Maybe its from the lack of studing images, as I clearly do not have the experiance u all do. Or maybe....maybe sometimes a rock is just a rock.

I seriously feel like we are alll looking at clouds...and on this day it looks like this...on the next it looks like that. Images that "could" look like one thing or the other is not conclusive proof...  Of course I do understand that If we are pulling all of our images from the Nasa's website...then we will probly never get it.

I know...Iknow...thats what post after post...thread after thread is going on here..Showing the "evidence" so to speak.( or atleast...pointing out the anomalies). But until it has been proven without a doubt, there should not be any body jumping to conclusions as to what it MIGHT be....Only what it is not. As that is the scientific method, ruling out one possibility after another until only 1 remains.....And then. no matter how unlikly it may seem, it must be true as all other possiblilites have been ruled out.

But I don't think that is the case with a large percentage of the posts here, while some people are careful to only state that its an anomoly( and is wise in doing so )....others go jump off the deep end and make wild guesses as to what the anomoly could be before ruling out the most simpliest and logical possibilities. Which I might add, is rarely done here.

If those are not ruled out first, thenn it makes no sense to guess as to what it could be when the simpliest explination must be ruled out before others can come into the fray.
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I want to believe that ther is life on mars....I realy do...but just judging from blocky, distorted images....I cannot.....at least not yet.
If we had other instramental data to assist in some of htese findings, I think it would truly help the cause.

Also, Do not put me in the "people will see what they want to see" catagory, ( not saying u did) As that saying goes BOTH ways. I am just a person that would like to think I try to think for myself, and make logical reasonable decisions, especially when we are talking about the un-known.

I would like to think that my point of view_ as I have said before_ is kinda like coming from the general public- as I do not have all this image verification and studing experiance like alot of you have.  So I give you a genral point of view as seen by the public. 

I';'m not saying there is not obvious signs of tampering going on here. But that is basically all that has been shown, yes it is logical to jump to the next conclusion and say" well, they muust be hiding something" as I do agree.....but from the images being shown...it is not clear as to "what" is being hidden. And we should not jump the gun so to speak before we have all the facts.







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The thread is open again, I think we can add to it after a few of the latest posts.

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People are always going to block out stuff they dont want to see or hear about. Short of giving these people a quick tap on the head, I dont think you will get them to see things they do not want to.

As far as showing anomalies in photographs is concerned, why not have a small button to the side of a picture with a javascript overlay that outlines the place where the anomaly is. I know it takes more work, but if people can already see what is being talked about, they dont have to click on the button. I did this with a character '4' that I found some time ago on the Moon and it was quite effective. I outlined the '4' with lines and it only showed when the visitor placed the mouse over the image.

I think it is quite possible that aliens and ghosts and orbs and all these kind of phenomena are living with us in other dimensions and only the people who are sensitive to those frequencies can see them. Sometime people's sensitivities come and go which may be why aliens/ghosts/etc are seen sometimes and not others. There could also be places on the earth where, because of the conditions at that place, it is easier for things to be seen.

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Thewatchers post brings up an interesting point.

Energy workers such as mediums etc have for many years been suggesting that what we perceive as ghosts, angels and demons, in other words 'spirits' are actually four dimensional beings of which we are only able to see a three dimensional 'shadow'. The general consensus is that these beings are basically around us all of the time but are invisible to us except for the shadows they project in 3 dimensions. We cannot conceive of what a 4 more dimensional being would look like but we may be able to see the shadow. There is also an accepted theory that our auras and chakras (of which there are believed to be more than the seven 'layers' that the human eye and mind can conceive) exist in other dimensions which makes us visible to whatever inhabits the higher dimensions. In theory we may be able to 'touch' these dimensions using our auras and chakras....maybe thats what the mystics do.

Now as fascinating as this is it does not help us with the problem of how to help people see what we see without the curtain dropping down.....

I was thinking that maybe we should create a little cartoon like Martin the Martian that is cute and non-threatening and that we can insert into our images pointing out the anomalies in a humourous way. We have already been conditioned to accept cartoons being associated with political and social satire and maybe minds would be more susceptible to the anomalies if we combined the two mediums....

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Yes that wa good reading. Dimensions are plains of existence. They have a peculiar formula. Skip 1st dimension as this is a singularity that we cannot conceive (a wprld of no uip or down, backwards or forward) .

2nd dimension: A world of only backwards and forwards. The concept of up and down cannot be understood in this world. Strangly the shadows cast in a 2 dimensional world woul be 1 dimensional.

3rd Dimesion: (Our world) Up and down backwards and forwards (lots a fun). The shadow we cast is 2 dimesional.

(see how the dimesions step up)

4th Dimension: Up down, backwards and forwards, and ..... This is where we hit a brick wall.  pointing to that other movement or quality is beyond us at the moment, even though there are some theories.A bit like the curtain coming down on people when you show peple images of alien activity ( Great post Chandre me and Harry have been on this question for a while). The shadow cast by a  4th dimensional object is 3 dimensional... That shadow is our world and perception.

Now thats the plains of existance.  Now withing our perception we can sort of simulate these qualities by simply opening and closing one eye. Close one eye and the world has no depth. Its flat. its difficult to judge the distance of object to pick up ( that why stereo vision in robotics is critical for robots to pick up objects and judge distances)

So dimensions are interesting and completely mind blowing. Quantum mechanics talks of 11+ dimesions. Quantom computers (which have been built on a basic level) use these dimension to calculate problems at the speed of thought.

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One single drop... says:
Images are 2 - dimensional, easy to create optical illusions on a sheet of paper, like Mr. Escher from the Netherlands did. Does the suggested psychological mechanism of unperceptibility function the same way inside and with a 3 - dimensional environment? 3- dimensional bodies consisting of solid matter could move around us all day , doing whatever they want, we could not perceive them ( "Flatland" ). But this is not that important, a lot of existing things we do not "perceive", X-rays, ultraviolet, the murdering in Afghanistan....
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An interesting Guest Book discussion started today when I mentioned that I was starting to wonder if people really could not see what we see so clearly in these images. Unfortunately my initial post and Mockans reply stating he was experiencing similar reactions have moved off the visible page so I am going to post what is on there now so everyone can see the gist of the discussion.

Chandre says:
Mockan, my thoughts exactly ! Does anyone remember the 3D image fad a few years ago where you had to start with your nose to the paper and slowly draw back until the image popped out at you. No-one told you what you were going to see so there were no expectations until the image materialised. A lot of people battled to see those as well, personally I think they were excellent training for what we are doing now with the NASaTY images we are looking at. If there was a way to combine our work with a similar 'fun' challenge, if we can suspend the disbelief for a few moments and just get people to LOOK, then maybe we would overcome the programming. meditate.gif
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Harry says:
Mockman your itching my brain... I think your going further with this. This is growing new neural pathways... literally! This maybe the key to how we are all controlled by governments. I need a drink and a cig... really thinking hard here. V.V.V.V good thread people.
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Harry- I think you may be on to something here. I recall experiments with cats where they were raised in an environment where the geometrical shapes were all vertical. When exposed to an environment where the shapes were horizontal, the cats brains literally could not see the shapes. Now suppose we extend such experiments with from just the optical neural network of neural tissue in the cats brain to whole concepts that do not include "aliens" or indedd anything giving rise to "xenophobia". Such people would simply not be able to comprehend the concept? maybe. Maybe we are going about trying to get people interested in this subject the wrong way. Maybe they really do not have the capacity to think about it?
Posted on : 2009-12-08 09:38:29
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Harry says:
Now show a member of the public an image. add the word alien and youve lost the battle before they even see the image. Pre-concieved ideas have already altered ones perception. Theres a cultural, personalprotective mecanism that stops us feeling outside our confort zones. The word alien has conotations of Threat, not wanted, not one of us and so on. Its a damed complicated problem.
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Remember, the Shayman, while in a trance saw visions. Alien astronaughts and so on. Some Myan hidden hyroglphs show 2 mariners whom arrived on a craft (SHIP). They new what ships were. How they know this is open to conjecture but its up on their walls. Eqyptian Shayman came up with objects like helicoptors and rockets. Anyways I think the situation is current in context in the post im replying too. If WE cannot come to terms with whats out there, then we wont understand talk less see anything. If the mere act of looking at an object change our percetion and on a quantum level possibly change the objects shape slightly, then isnt that the fundemental tool of observation?
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http://illusionsetc.blogspot.com/2004/11/what-do-you-see-eskimo-or-indian.html This is one the most famous double image illusions. In this optical illusion you might see an eskimo or an indian.
Now add tampering. You see we can lock onto an image quite easily. but to change the way we view is difficult. But not impossible.
Another example:
http://www.optical-illusions.info/Illusions_images/double.jpg
This eaxample deals with what we know and expect. When we see this theres a slight disturbance in our perception . We dont want to accept what this image is portraying .
Mix the 2 examples together with tampering and you'll have a world of confusion. I think alien cultures use a form of polymorphic imaging.
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Todays situation is quite different. A lot of witnesses and their shaymans tell them: "There are no ships!" Something has changed. Ps: Who told the shayman?
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Harry says:
Nice post... we are moving forward here.An interesting TRUE story from a Myan Shayman. His testimony was with regards the arrival of the Spanish in ships. Some Mayans were called to a beach and the Shayman was pointing to the Spanish ships arriving close b uy. The Shayman pointed with increasing fear. The lookers on could see nothing. They could see slight depressions in the water but nothing else. The shayman then realised that he had not explained the concept of ships coming from a world beyond theirs. As he explained the whole concept of the craft on water. As he did this the ships started to appear, as if out of thin air. They all ran away in a blind panic!
So , from this example, we are creatures that see what we want to see. Our world, our perception is created by what we know and understand and have experienced. The world is made up of atoms with infinite possibilities. The atom is in flux. It will change before your eyes when you look at something differently, basic rules in quantum mechanics. Theres very little brainwashing involved , just learning. If your impatient or pig headed, y7ou will not see what you're looking for. Its the hardest thing to do.
Chandre remember my post in PT forum http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=47797&p=3&topicID=30873463 (read again if you have time.) The thread is a microcosm of the problem. At the beginning of the post all is well even though a glaring feature had not been seen. Then I turned up, with my new fangled vision and techniques and you can taste the static. You can almost here the resistance to look. There are those whom will never see clearly . They will or cant let go of their pre-concieved ideas of the world, the universe and in their heads. The icing on the cake was my revelation and the very last post in that thread. I could go on by I promised myself and others not to go down that road. The discussion i had with V.. also seems to weave in and out of this thorny but important subject.
Posted on : 2009-12-08 03:32:15
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Chandre says:
V, Mockan, everyone..its interesting, I have been thinking back to when I first discovered this site and met the Colossal Head. I saw it immediately, but my mind just would not accept it, it seemed to keep on 'slipping away' from me. Weeks would past and I would come back and see it again and then a curtain would come down. My mind just did not want to acknowledge the possibility. I battled with it for months, and then when I got a handle on it I think was the moment my paradigms changed. It was hard to overcome those paradigms and I am a hard-core SF fan and have been since I was 8 years old. I consider myself a free-thinker and open to new concepts, but even I battled the 'conditioning'. Now, I no longer have that problem, I look at posts and information and no curtain comes down, I am free to explore all kind of thoughts and new information and examine images without any bias. I seem to have removed the 'conditioning' as have most of us at this site, but I am not sure exactly how I did it. Maybe if we could all explain how we shifted paradigms we may have a way to work with other peoples 'blocks' so that we can post in a way that removes this conditioning without harming or threatening people ?
Posted on : 2009-12-07 22:56:49
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Chandre, Mockan: I think this psychology/sociology is very interesting. It happens to me all the time. I had (empasize had) a friend that reported for a local TV station. I presented him the true story of the Phoenix Lights. I challenged him as to why the media didn't report it in depth. He said because it was nonsense. I then led him to this site. The light went on, but when all was said and done he returned to where he originated and we aren't friends anymore. I'm the weird old guy that believes in aliens and UFO's. I think a few things occur. Richard Hoagland (who has "some" good points to make) asked Gene Roddenberry of Star Trek fame (deceased and a good friend of his) how such an incredible secret could be kept by so many for so long. Roddenberry said, "the lie is different at every level." My friend the reporter was lied to by his superior, who was lied to by his and so on, each with a little more of a twist, but all of them in the chain not knowing the full and complete lie. Another aspect to consider is that many people are just plain threatened by such a radical a shift in paradigm. I know sometimes when I ponder the truth about all of this, it's difficult to continue having barbecues and maintaining family and household, when there could be this unseen myriad of alien activity and history all around us. Not to mention that some or all of our history and pre-history may not be true. Another perspective is that many people have faith in the establishment. When your school teachers, mayors, governors, university professors, popular scientists, reporting media (picture Walter Cronkite), and your President are skeptical, that's a tough lineup to question for most people. I think it's an all of the above thing as to why, that's what human beings do.F6ck
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