Alien Anomalies

Xenon · Administrator

RE: Moving forward

Xenon · Administrator

Chandre wrote:

And after catching up on Skippers Guest Book, I have another suggestion....

As well as our own cartoon to insert in images to point out anomalies, lets add a cartoon of Sholva where we can take out our frustrations by including him in images in appropriate poses.... LOL...

What better way to critique his work than with our own unique brand of humour....

Hi Chandre, I am not so sure that would be a good idea, as it will just be dragging us down to his level, and I think we are all agreed we do not need any Shol'va type influence clogging up the forum, we see how it has dominated the guestbook, and Mr Sipper has one of the most popular and innovate sites on the web.

OSD has helped transform the forum with his mars jokes thread art, other members too are also free to post their own cartoons and artwork, plus maybe a little theatre, I have opened a new forum called "Freedom of expression studio" where members can use their creativity to enlighten and reflect us all

I hope you and other members had happy and peaceful holidays, 2010 looks to be an enlightening year for us all, I look forward to the challenges and insights it sets before us.

-- Edited by Xenon on Sunday 10th of January 2010 07:19:59 PM

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

And after catching up on Skippers Guest Book, I have another suggestion....

As well as our own cartoon to insert in images to point out anomalies, lets add a cartoon of Sholva where we can take out our frustrations by including him in images in appropriate poses.... LOL...

What better way to critique his work than with our own unique brand of humour....

bethabara9 · Member

playing with ideas.

Edited by Chandre to insert image into text

-- Edited by Chandre on Sunday 13th of December 2009 07:32:06 AM

bethabara9 · Member

Hello to everyone, just NOW read this. How about combining the efforts? Make a face book page, twitter and You tube and connect all the dots here? Make fixed categories of printable work, click thru images, and any approved video?
People like 'movin' thru the net, they don't stay in one place long and many are moving to hand held smart phones. The wider the net, the larger the catch :)
If you need help, I am some what computer literate (lol) and would help to resize images, simple text on images, resize batch file images. This can be time consuming, so if someone needs help, I can offer it, in small quick jobs.
My computer is small and it takes much defragging and cookie munching to keep her savvy but I am upgrading in January.
B'

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

I'm not sure if everyone has been following the Perception Discussion thread....

We've been talking about what happend when we show people our evidence, about how bthey seem to have trouble seeing what we are pointing out and then they do and a lightbulb goes on but after a few moments a curtain seems to come down and you know they have tuned it out.

We need to find a way to stop that curtain.... we need to keep them thinking about it...ideally we want them to print out the image and look at it....

I had an idea about how to to that today...

I was thinking that maybe we should create a little cartoon like Martin the Martian that is cute and non-threatening and that we can insert into our images pointing out the anomalies in a humourous way. We have already been conditioned to accept cartoons being associated with political and social satire and maybe minds would be more susceptible to the anomalies if we combined the two mediums.... biggrin

papadipongo · Member

hey guys i see u are going straight like a train

i like all the ideas posted ad i'm totally in

personally i think would be better to don't give a certain interpretation of the sighting, living it to the observer
so i'd set up the evidences simply as "Mars" and "moon" and "others"( for orbital corpses, stuff floating in the space ecc ), and not as "plant" or "water" evidences, cause we cannot really know if that liquid is really water or if a strange object is really a plant

gbull · Veteran Member

great! count me in.

what do you guys want me to do?

i have those delta wing pics i would like to include. i am looking for more of them too.

if we can show something that is relatively consistent looking in, different places...

that would be helpful to the project.

just let me know how i can help.

err..i'm not to savy with programs like video's and such. but i can get music! lol.
seriously, no copyright infringement unless this will make some money, of course.

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

OK, I'll do the whiteboard invites for you now....

Humanoid · Veteran Member

Chandre, I reckon we can do both, a newsflash posted in Forun News plus individual whiteboard messages?

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Thanks Humanoid smile

OK, then so far I suggest we start with two of the videos

1. OSD's Trilogy which I am sure you would work on togther
2. Xiriux's 3D video showcasinh his finds which I think we need to get xiriuxs comments on. Could you delay each image long enough for the viewer to focus on the image without pausing ? Maybe start with the general shot and then slowly zoom in on the anomaies at a speed that allows the eyes to adjust to the 3D ?

My next ideas are

3. Moon anomalies - showcasing the rest of our work but in 3 minute videos as downloading larger ones is a problem for many viewers
4. Mars anomalies series - think we have enough for two or three, maybe our Mars 'series'. We could look at structures, plants/animals, misc.

I will give a favourites list, but I think we have enough to showcase most of the work even if we do not agree on all of it, we can just put it out there....

I am very excited about this project and hope we will ALL be contributing......

Should we put whiteboard messages out for each member inviting participation just in case they don't normally read this thread ? Or can Xenon do a newsflash alerting everyone of our intentions ??

Humanoid · Veteran Member

Yes Chandre, it can be done the same way as making a video with ordinary photos. But viewers must wear 3D glasses of course and pause constantly in order to see the images properly smile

If we are to make a video based on Xiriux work, we must obtain the original anaglyphs from him.

-- Edited by Humanoid on Friday 4th of December 2009 12:18:37 AM

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Hi Humanoid,

I am still working on suggestions for my favourites list, but in the meantime I really would like to suggest that we do one video just on OSD Trilogy..... its thought and discussion provoking and stands alone as a subject of its own. Maybe we can include a bit of Fire and Ice as well ?

Can you do a 3D video on Xiriuxs work ?? (tech question)

Humanoid · Veteran Member

Thanks for your suggestions OSD, much appreciated smile

To all members- please feel free to let us know what evidence you'd like to see included in the videos. For anyone interested in producing the actual videos, please PM me for details. Thank you.

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Some ideas received from OSD

My proposals for things to be included into next video / videos:

Mars anomalies :
More Moon Evidence – 2
150, last three images ( = graphic stamps )
More Moon Evidence – 3a
151, images 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ( = graphic stamps )
More Moon Evidence – 4
152, images 6, 7, 8, 9 ( = magical disappearence )

Alien anomalies :

Eros tower

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Some text graphics should discuss the problems of faking / obfuscation and its implications.

Argument:

It is obvious that the quality of the optical datas released to the public and released to the scientific community do not show the quality and the sharpness in details the instruments used are capable to produce and are producing. Why ? On a very large scale the images provided for the public seem to be "logical". A closer look reveals "dusted" areas of hundreds of square miles without significant surface details, impossible geological features, impossible shadows, the appearance and disappearance of landscape structures , like hills and rocks in different images under similar angles of view of the same landscape and so on...

3. Day by day sccientists are using these datas worldwide to construct their theories about the origin of our solar system and the ongoing processes.

To build up scientific theories based on the data suggested by optical images of this poor quality is irresponsible. This false assesment of the data would result in completely wrong conclusions.

4. We have to ask the scientific community these questions:
* How come do 'common' people doubt your work and are aware of its discrepancies
* Why do you , the educated ones, paid by us, stay silent about these discrepancies and publish tons of papers each year, paid by us too?
* If our assumptions are true , you are creating some theories based on datas which are "fake". That means that your theories are not congruent with reality, just fantasies with an an inner logic, but in relation to ignored datas worthless.

If your reply is your normal silence our advice would be: Ask your conscience.

We are always willing to learn. If we are wrong , we`ll find out. If some of you are courageous to start an open dialogue: Welcome!

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Just some thoughts.....
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A new video channel is a very good idea and Humanoid is the right man in the right place to lead the team.

But Youtube is full of videos crying : Look at me, Look at me, --- No, No., look at me...
What I want to point at: We have to show something very special, to make a difference, in reaching the audience. Our audience is everybody, each person, human or nonhuman. A logo is like a sign , a symbol, expressing nonverbal messages. (By the way Counter seems to be very talented and maybe can help too.) The symbol for Alien anomalies should carry in itself a connection to TPTP, not often visible, but expressing the idea, in a way, that people FEEL the connection ones they meet with PTP without directly pointed at . "United WE stand...."
To start each video with an animated scene would be really an eyecatcher. For this we would need a graphic expert with some equipement. This animation should last only a few seconds but should express the whole message, like you`ll see statute or a human figure, slowly turning ( 180 ° ), and while turning changing its head from human to non human to human to another nonhuman, to human to another kind of nonhuman and so on, while the body always stays the same. But this needs advanced knowledge in programming.

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Hi Counter
I am so sorry, I should have been more clear. Believe me, there is no 'secret' forum where we are discussing this. The PTP Members only page is open to all our members and the HUB allows access to anyone that may be interested.

The 'decision' made by Xenon, Humanoid and myself after discussions that have taken place over the past month and with lots of input (including yours) was to try to get our own images out there first using YouTube initially but then any other channel we can think of. The 'decision' was to promote Alien Anomalies first, not TPTP as we need to create an awareness of who we are and the work we are doing before we proceed with the PTP work. In effect PTP and AA are two seperate entities, PTP is to promote Skippers work and ideals and we cannot use that as a platform to showcase our own finds....do you see the issue....

Any member is welcome to create their own videos but remember that the Forum has 'copyright' on what we have posted so it needs to be ok'd by Xenon.

Once we had made the 'decision' I immediately posted our intent here for everyone to comment on. Thank you for doing just that.

Our next step is a new logo for Alien Anomalies so that we have our own identity and which I have asked you if you would like to assist us with. We then need to complile a list of the evidence from this forum that we want to showcase and we need a team to work together to create that. The team will be working with Humanoid as I know nothing about tech but will be happy to assist with content.

'We' are every member of this forum, always has been, always will be....United 'WE' stand. Sometimes Humanoid, Xenon and I as moderators think-tank which way next and then we put it out there for everyone to comment on. Sometimes going forward we will discuss in private just amongst the members on the PTP Supporters forum and sometimes we will post on the HUB so anyone can see what we are doing...

Hope that this is OK with everyone ? aww

counter · Member

Thanks for reply and explanation Humanoid I appreciate it :)
I will have more time free on weekend so will hopefully do some creative work then. And for now, best of best evidence in my opinion to start with would be for example martian animals. Pictures gathered on this forum are mostly unknown on YT, so I reckon they would may become hot rolls.

Humanoid · Veteran Member

Hi Counter,

Below is my reply to Chandre, concerning the making of new videos with evidence from this site.

"As for making new vids with our evidense, I'm up for it. I can make them (or anyone else if he/she wishes) once we agree on what images to use. Keep in mind YT don't allow video lenght greater than 10 mins. I have just opened a new YT account- http://www.youtube.com/user/AlienAnomalies Also a new banner/logo may be needed for this new channel."

As evident, I have no problem whatsoever with anybody else making the videos. I do agree however that I should have posted above reply here in the HUB instead of discussing it privately with Chandre. Sorry about it, my mistake. I also like the idea of more people making their own videos and distributing them in various video sharing sites, not just YouTube, and in different languages.

I can also assure you that there isn't any "super secret society for initiated only" operating covertly amongst us. We aren't the Freemasons here. The office is a staff forum and we need it for the day to day runnung of the site. This is moderator's responsibility and concern, that's why it's open for mods only. We don't discuss privately PTP strategies in the office, there is a dedicated forum for doing so available to all members.

Thanks,
Humanoid

counter · Member

Don't mind me asking, Chandre, but who are "We"? I thought, that "We" means "We All" and that The PTP is a grass root movement open to all who willing to help and support fight for truth. Shouldn't We All discuss matters like that? I went with the idea to discuss it openly, not by few on the super secret forum... Maybe others would be willing to help as well...

Please read the following quote from Skippers work and think about it.

So yes the time is right. The PTP needs to concentrate on its primary initial role and keep it simple in that regard. IF enough of the book evidence has the kind of merit needed, then thinking people must act on it and be prepared to let others onboard in an open environment providing the instruction and help that they will need to get productive quickly. Attempt too much control or domination or just having the appearance of it and far too many will be glad to sit back and wait for leadership to do it all not realizing that this is impossible and failure prone thinking.

Always remember that the PTP is a grass roots movement and as such is open to all that are interested. It is something to encourage, assist, and help with. Leadership needs to focus on showing the way and not regard it as something to control or dominate. Its growing diversity eventually spreading across this planet will ultimately be its strength and the bane of adversaries.

One must understand that many people observe and do not become involved with preplanning and talk until the moment of truth comes for them personally. I suspect that moment of truth will essentially hinge for most on the new book evidence and what ever tipping merit it is perceived to have by them. At that moment, they will choose to act or not.

For those that choose to act, support procedures should be ready and in place to help. Here’s a clue. They don’t need to figure out how to act, they just need to start acting applying pressure to the media, big and small, local and national, and in their places of origin as well as every where else in the world they can think of to get the snowball started rolling into mainstream public awareness. This is not a USA or western culture thing but a world thing.

Right now this is the role of the PTP and any leadership needs to concentrate on facilitating this initiating pressure on the media process. Later there will be issues associated with the fight to release the real hidden away exploration data that will include political leadership targeting. After that will come the issues of trying to deal with any truth revealed and future vision planning. In these later stages, the PTP may then benefit from more organization and structure.

Right now and initially, it is a volunteer grass roots movement of choice. The choice is between voluntarily helping one's self and one's children by fighting for truth and against secrecy and the ignorance it spawns or being ruled by others on the sly from the shadows with no voice.

So the question is, are we open to all and follow Skipper's advice, or we follow secrecy types creating some super secret society for initiated only? Think about it. I didn't read anywhere on Skipper's website, that he had authorised anybody to represent him, so "We" can be only treated as individual initiative of unknown group, who work against Skipper's clearly understandable will. You don't understnd, that you will achieve nothing good from that.

Anyone interested should help creating movies. And in a fact anyone interested should create his own channel, and we should help him/her to do it. That is our job. We can work TOGETHER and under The PTP name, this name is not reserved or copyrighted and should be use to advertise and promote Skipper's website and most importently promote the TRUTH. The more closed, secret and paranoid you are the less people will join you and you will not win any battle.

ICEMAN · Senior Member

Looks fine

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

We have decided to move forward with the creation of some YouTube videos showcasing our evidence on this site. It will be posted under Alien Anomalies not TPTP as that is reserved for the promotion of Skippers work once we get closer to the book release.

Humanoid has kindly agreed to create the videos, all we need is a 'best of the best' evidence list for us to work from.

Please can you give us an idea of your favourites so we can start compiling the video.

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Counter, thats creative and eye-catching. We can use that on the Youtube vids....
Xenon, Humanoid.....shall we start with the Best of the Best lists so that we can create a few Youtube videos ?

counter · Member

I've done some graphics. What do you think about it?

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Counter, I agree with you. Youtube should be a start. Humanoid, what do you think ?

gbull · Veteran Member

lots of great ideas,

the bottom line for this is, as said,

"For our war we need good cannons like a real, clearly visible and undeniable proofs."

TPTP cannot afford to mess this up, credibility is paramount.
changing minds is a huge problem, practically everyone has an opinion on these subjects.

look at bigfoot, the patterson film to be precise, still no acknowledgement that it is a real
animal.

our own history! climate change and a million other things that have 2 or more sides.

this will be uphill all the way.

counter · Member

Ok.
Let's go forward than :)
First step we should do is become visible on YouTube. We all know YT users like LunaCognita, joseescamilla or undercoveralien. Some of the movies made by most known YT anomaly hunters have already had millions of views. We can go to the wide public by making movies like Humanoid did. I suggest, that we could create our channel called ThePlanetaryTruth or simillar, and under this account publish anomalies we gathered so far. Movies we will create don't have to be very long, we can focus on 2 or 3 anomalies at the time, this should be quite enough as for starters. All we need is to ask Skipper for his blessing for use of his pictures, and free ad we will make for him. Details are to discuss. I think it would be something to show to public some hard evidence about alien lifeforms on Mars and so on. So, what do you say? :)

counter · Member

Hello

Do you understand why NASA lies about UFOs, Aliens, life in Solar System etc?
I recently asked very renown physicist, French professor about what he personally thinks about UFOs, Mars anomalies and so on. Here is what he said:

Mars anomalies? Of course, there are "anomalies" on Mars, but we will never find out about those biggest ones, because they could pose a threat to the "national security". These things are top secret - "classified". They will never be published in the "Nature" magazine. Leaks occurs sometimes, sometimes "sponsored" leaks, but these are always being oposed and under control. From time to time, when someone is suspected that said too much, he suddenly jumps from the balcony or dies from heart attack.

And here professor pasted some links like this one: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1224377/British-nuclear-expert-s-17th-floor-UN-death-plunge-suicide.html

So, decision about keeping it in secret has not been taken by NASA. This is so called National Security issue, and there is straight link to Pentagon and all those men in black who are behind all lies. National security means, that if you are trying to breach it you are becoming "traitor", and you can end up in jail for life, or commit suicide without your own consent :) That is why we will never win media attention in the way we would wish to. We have to fight for the people and the revolution has to come from the very bottom, from the people as it usually does. To obtain the "Truth" from the Government who is hiding it, we would have to change a lot

And that supposedly is our ultimate goal, isn't it? For us it's most probabily mission impossible, so I say lets focus on more possible goals for now. We can act and make some change starting from smaller scale, and we have to focus attention on convincing people like us. And you are absolutely right NoName. For our war we need good cannons like a real, clearly visible and undeniable proofs. But I will write more soon :) Ciao for now

NoName · Member

Chandre, OSD, Counter, Et-al

I agree with where you're going but I would suggest narrowing our choices of what we want to showcase down to (perhaps no more) than four topics. The first three categories should be the strongest evidence of what we have to date...backed up by as much data as there is readily available, something like this:

Evidence of Moon life and/or anomalies

Evidence of Mars life and/or anomalies

Earth anomalies that correspond with or are indicative of the above

Understanding the implications of celestial habitation and acknowledged contact

Don't worry about the titles or words that I've used it's the idea behind them that is really important. I've found that if you concentrate on too many issues people tend to lose focus and miss the intent of what you're trying to do or tell them.

I would also suggest we continue as Mr. Skipper has done so far...continue to put the evidence out there and let the people (that are interested) decide for themselves. Do all of you remember Winston? Think about it...the only piece of Mr. Skipper's evidence he chose not to (or could not) argue with was the picture of the head lying on it's side. He even asked if anyone wished to challenge him with information that they had questions about. No one ever asked him about the head and he never brought it up again.

That's the type information we need to publish. Items or pictures that defy illogical explanations.

One single drop · Senior Member

Hi counter,

" this is were we are", in my opinion, is a realistic description of where the PTP is at its beginning and how the situation looks like. Maybe they will never listen, but we have to try to "move" these opinioncreators too, a little bit. They will be moved anyway. The main road has to go straight into the hearts AND into the minds of people. Straight, but smooth. This I agrree with. Most of the normal people suspect a deeper reality. They feel from time to time that their daily life has a touch of unreality, like a dream, and that the life they ( have to) live is contrary to how they could and should live. This widespread suspicion of "there is something else" enables us creating a catalytical effect.

Hi NoName,
your point is a very valuable, in my opinion. To ignore possible dangers is a dangerous thing. And there are possible dangers fore shure. On earth and outside. This is another point of view to add and it is underlining the necessity to inform the people about the whole ( possible ) "spectrum".

One sinle drop....

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Thank you NoName and rblewis6 for your input and very valid points, it is helping with the formulation of the media strategy smile

I think our first step over the next few weeks will be the reorganisation of the evidence we have under the Anomalies heading. I think we will need to make that a seperate Page with sub-headings for different types of evidence. Does anyone have any ideas of what we should be show-casing of what the members have posted ?

I was thinking along these lines....
Mars Water evidence
Mars Plant and animal evidence
Mars Civilisation evidence
Moon and ISS
Other solar bodies
Earth anomalies

Any ideas ?? confuse

NoName · Member

Hello All,

I've been away for awhile and will most probably be leaving again. With that said, I felt the need to stop in and see what's going on with the site, and I must say (as per usual) it seems as if everyone is on top of things.

Chandre poses some interesting questions and rblewis6 and Counter have provided stimulating answers/solutions for all of us to consider.  The world being what it is, I'm leaning more towards a solution or course of action that relies on electronic media to get the word out, while ignoring classical media outlets because of who and what they are.

I've also found through the use of some admittedly very unscientific methods, that people I would have never suspected believe in, or are sure of, the fact that we are not alone in the universe. These are professional people, people of substance, and some (if not most) who in any other set of circumstances would be considered impeachable. However, regardless of who they were or what they did for a living, they all shared one common thought.  And that thought was knowing or assuming that we are not alone in the universe is one thing, dealing with other species who could be potentially dangerous was something else.

I say that to say this. As people, groups, and organizations push for disclosure I think we also have to remember that we have another responsibility. That responsibility is to each other and this planet...And that involves understanding that we would be naive to assume that any or all species that we may come in contact with, or seek to disclose, may not have our best interests at heart.

So whatever we choose to do, I believe we need to temper it with the caveat that just as the world can be a dangerous place so may be the universe and we need to conduct ourselves accordingly.

rblewis6 · Member

I'd like to present two points for discussion to grow our grassroots efforts.

As much as Mr. Skipper wants this to be a group effort, he is the one writing the book, with great investments of both time and money. We all want to see him succeed, and we all want to see the word get out.

Based on his feedback, I think we can all appreciate the need for teamwork to motivate the grassroots efforts to move The Planetary Truth Project forward, but here's the thing ... Mr. Skipper is in the best position to publicize this topic, coordinated especially with the release of his book. He holds the best opportunity to advertise his book, and therefore TPTP. There are so many opportunities and venues to publicize his book: Coast to Coast, dozens of UFO/Conspiracy/Paranormal Podcasts, and Internet radio shows. Even with the thousands of hits on the Mars Anomaly website, being directly interviewed on several of those shows, a press tour such as it were, would reach a much larger market. I know he's concerned for his safety and therefore does not like to travel, but that's the beauty of our New Millennium, virtually all of these shows can be done via a phone and/or computer.

He may not have the time or knowledge of these types of shows and might require assistance in the form of a "press manager" or person willing to take point on setting up these interviews. It goes without saying that he would have to approve of the idea, the person and the shows in question.

He seems unwilling to leverage facebook, twitter, or other forms of social media, and that's where we can assist. Using this very discussion board as a portal to social networking sites to announce when he'd be interviewed; together, with all our diverse interests and Internet accounts, we can really spread the word. And the beauty of this is that we're not using the corruptible and controlled Mainstream Media but can still target the type of people we want to reach, the "geeks" as Chandre put it.

So, the two points are these:
a) We have to convince Mr. Skipper that he can publicize his book through Podcasts (ect.) from the comfort of his own home. Someone experienced with all the different non-MSM Internet based mediums may need to act as a point of contact to set up these types of interviews.

b) Contingent upon Mr. Skipper's approval, we all hit our Facebook, Twitter, and all other Social Networking accounts to bump up viewership of these programs and perhaps even call in during the show providing extra information about the website and TPTP.

The hardest part, I imagine, will be to convince the man to do such a press tour. I sense he's resistant to the idea and wants us to carry the ball. I appreciate that, but the fact is, he is the ball.

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

You make a very good point Counter, thank you smile

counter · Member

So, according to what I read in the last commentary, main focus for TPTP is media, is that right? I say it is very naive approach. Media is never going to give a slightest f*** about what we say here, and even if they will it will be as I posted in a CNN report below. Media is in private hands and some of the media is owned by the governments and those who control it are directly or indirectly those who lie to people about alien unpresence in our solar system. It is media who keep people in darkness. Go to your enemy and ask him to do favour to you. Do you think he will do it? He is going to stub you in a back. How many newspapers have helped Skipper to promote his site or his idea?

This movement should not waste its time on doing this, as this is not the right time. This will happen in a right moment, but the main goal for the PTP should be PEOPLE. This is the real battelfield and we need to fight for hearts of the people, not for ****ing media attention. Those who lie have their lies, media and all the money of the world and we have only the Truth, and we need to make people hear it and understand that they have been told lies. Creating new websites about evidence, going into twitter, facebook and social networks, making people hear and understand proofs we have got, that should be our first, basic and main step. If we have million or ten million people like us, who understand and see the lies, than media and the world will not be able to ignore us any longer. But now we have only 20 people. Of which maybe 10 is active on this forum. And we have forum that is not even listed in google. And this is where we are.

Xenon · Administrator

I will be away in New York for the next 10 days on family business (very excited), and I have left the PTP and forum in the capable hands of Chandre and Humanoid who are two very gifted people, please feel free to discus your ideas with them,

Due to a technical glitch to do with access to both the PTP supporters forum and the staff office, I have had to close the PTP supporters forum until I am back home, and will be my first priority to have it reopened.

When I return I will also post details of the changes that will be taking place to the forum, plus introducing a community funding link which will give members greater options.

But for now I will take my leave, and I will leave you with these thoughts, Mr Skipper and our Planetary Truth Project, have already made ripples lap against the powers that be, and they have taken notice too by looking for weakness in our argument or else sending us on a wild goose chase, so we need to stay focussed on the mission ahead, I have faith in all our members abilities and the commitment you all give and I have no doubt that come the end of the year we will see we are winning the argument.

Xenon

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Counter, thank you. I would welcome any ideas or input you would like to contribute smile

Xenon · Administrator

The forum and the PTP are an extension of the work Mr Skipper has done, and both hold the same values and aims that we started out with, however there is room for expansion and readers can be assured that the matter is not being neglected, I have raised the matter of a website with Mr Skipper and will make an announcement in due course,

counter · Member

Chandre if you like it I can (hopefully) look over it during weekend.

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Seems Harry agrees with Counter on the seperate web-site issue

Post taken from Skippers site.....

Harry says:

Hi, sell the content?? lol . Planetary Truth needs more TRUTH! Chandres doing a great job but if I were Chandre I would focus on what drives her interest! More images.. more revelations. The site is judged by its content and how members communicate over New ideas. If it gets too techy you'll lose new members. remember the image (if good enough) will tell the story (with a little help

) The public will come once they feel your interest. Take a different approach. Find out what really drives u and transfer a little of that to the forum. Remember in the end youve got understand what you want from this. Its easy for people give advice but believe me when I say, you have plenty of ammunition. Use it. Use the front of the forum. Images logo?? Maybe even get away from free forums and get true flexibility and naybe cut down on some of the categories and focus on the more important ( Maybe) .. Anyways Chandre GJ we are watching

Posted on : 2009-10-20 14:04:39

Harry makes a point, we need to understand what drives our passion to make the PTP work, for me it is the images rather than the detailed reports and the opportunity to verify the images with my own eyes and even find some of my own anomalies.

If everyone can please post what drives them in their personal search then maybe we can formulate a motivational marketing plan for a 'best of the best' evidence site. I know we have discussed this before. We can break it down into categories like water, civilisation evidence, plants etc (like xiriux did) and then showcase the images we have collected under these titles. The evidence Skipper has is well show-cased under his site.

As I am not a techno, I don't really know how web-sites work so I will be relying heavily on your input for ideas and guidance on how we do this. confuse

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Counter, I like it a lot !

counter · Member

Moving forward I suggest, that we start another website where we post most of findings we have here. Where we will be able to post any possible and verifyable anomalious findings from our solar system.
Domain + hosting costs at the begining should cost about 40USD, that is pretty nothing. We can base our website on wordpress engine, anyone involved could get his editorial account and post entries/articles to the website. We can find some nice theme that would fit our needs (people do miracles with wordpress, check this out: http://www.pagelines.com/demos/iblogpro/ - your own apple like wordpress theme for 75 USD :) ). How do you like that?

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Some more constructive comments from Counter ;

You know Chandre what should be priority for TPTP? I tell you how I feel:
1. Helping Skipper to publish his book. This may involve some financial commitment 2. Popularising his website all around. That includes making our own websites about what we know. The more websites, the stronger they are in google, the better for us.
3. Translating Skipper's website to other main speaking languages of the world
4. Preparing ground for publishing of Skippers book all around the world.

Do you see where are Skipper's millions visitors monthly coming from? This should be example for us. He has very simple website, but he is constantly updating it, he is taking small steps, but very consequent. And from this small but constant and consequent steps he built something that has become really powerful. So I think we should be patient and start from the begining, from small but precisely taken steps, that one day will crush all lies :)

counter · Member

Write your own blogs/web sites directed toward societies you live in. Present veryfiable data that cannot be easily ridiculed and advertise your websites (or Skipper's if your nation speaks English) amongst your nation. If you make people think - that will be huge success... Because people generally are too stupid to think wider than their own pitty lives/businesses are concerned :)

That is example of manipulation that media use on large masses. They told story about super artificial finding on Mars in the way, that nobody would treat the message seriously. And next time they say about aliens on moon people will say: "yeah, we heard that story about Martian".

In 1952 several UFOs did show up over Washington DC. Hundreds, thousands people witnessed that. Where are they today? And where is the case? In the bin.

How many people you convinced personally about alien presence on our planet/solar system? If you convince 100 people, that alien do exist, that you can go forward and try to convince 1000. But if you can't convince even your neighbours, than I don't think you will succeed even with 1000 bilboards :)

Thruth is like a water. It needs to leak by small drops through the crack in the dam before the dam can brake. Make people think first, so they start looking for the answers and understand how truth looks like. And the truth will flow wider...

These are mine free thoughts on the subject. Use them or bin them, I don't care

Good night

Humanoid · Veteran Member

Great ideas Chandre!
One more thing we can do is writing an ebook and distributing it for free over the internet. It wont require any funding just some time and effort on our part. Loads of people download and read ebooks nowadays, there're even offline ebook readers available on the market. In our ebook we can include some of Skippers material (with his permission) and that way we'll further popularize/advertize his book as well as the PTP movement as a whole.

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Right everyone, after a very busy two weeks and limited access to the net I am now back. I have still not regained my sense of humour after 'Black Friday' but I have had time to reflect on the situation and after reading Skippers latest commentary I think we are ready to move forward now.

LCROSS has proved two things ;
1. The media IS controlled
2. The media IS NOT going to be on our side

We had already decided that it is futile to try to gain any response from 'official' channels and it is now my opinion that we will not gain any response from mainstream media channels either.

So what now, do we now sit back throw our hands up and say 'whats the use, no one is interested' ?

Not all all, we get out of the box and we approach this from as many different angles as we can ! evileye

We have already identified one possible target group thanks to rblewis, I have some ideas on more and I am sure that everyone will be able to add to these.

The possible target markets are ;

1. The conspracytainment crowd
2. The Bohemian Anti-establishment groups - its possible that they would be interested in our work ?

3. Trendy young people that wear contentious messages as fashion statements

4. Gamers of all ages

5. Scientist and Academics that may be operating on the fringes of mainstream science

6. People who do not have access to the internet

I think we need to approach this from a lateral-thinking angle.

Let’s assume that we are not going to get any assistance from the media, where would you start to get your message out there ? I have some ideas on that....

Internet – our site, Skippers site, Randys Facebook site, YouTube, Twitter, chat rooms. We need to select a ‘best of the best evidence’ and we need to concentrate on that. Things that can be captured in a single image, that will make people think and want to know more, things that don’t require long explanations. We are only going to get seconds to hook people’s attention. We need a new site with this evidence and links to our site. This new site will also front the merchandise etc so it must appeal to the target markets we are considering.

Public Media – in South Africa we have stands in coffee shops that stock post cards with advertising messages on them that the patrons can take for free. Do you have those in your countries ? Can we print cards that are unusual with interesting catch-phrases that people would send to friends or stick on their fridges or walls. Postcards are relatively inexpensive to print and handy to distribute.

Street Markets – these are effective marketing tools and can be combined with products such as a clothing line and other accessories as well as being a place to put our postcards and also interact on a one-to-one basis with individuals. Its slow, but if we find a range that appeals to the youth of today we may actually get a lot of people who may not necessarily agree with our ideals to advertise our message. Think of Mao and Che Guevara t-shirts and how people wore those who knew nothing about them. We will need a catch-phrase and a web-site with a catchy short name that will advertise the goods and include our evidence and some of our work.

Merchandise – what about a clothing line, something simple that the 18 to 25 market would buy and wear. Shirts, caps, belt buckles etc. We can also add a jewellery range with rings, pendants, cell phone accessories that have our logo on. These would be sold at the market stalls and possibly in shops later on if we can find a market. This would come later as it will need some financial outlay but maybe we can work on a logo/phrase in the meantime ?

Science Fiction Conventions – these will be excellent contact points for us and for the merchandise and postcards

Graphic Novels – do we develop our own or try to get our evidence included in an existing one ?

Science Fiction stories – we need to try to write some stories that include our evidence and get them to e-zines and other publications

Graffiti – lets encourage local graffiti artists to include our images and web addresses in their art, maybe we can sponsor some art in our own countries

Billboards –Sal once suggested this and its a really good idea but will need funding.

Music- do we have access to musicians, can we encourage or write songs about what we have found ?

TV – do we have access to any television media, can we get someone to do a show on our discoveries or include them in SF shows ?

Gamers – do we have access to anyone that can include our evidence in a computer game ?

Sensationalist media – OK, I know we all balk at this but in MIB Agent K tells Will that they often have the story before the mainstream. Can we use this to our advantage ? What starts there may be picked up by others later and a lot of normal people read these magazines.

This is just a start. I look forward to any input anyone else has... aww

-- Edited by Chandre on Thursday 15th of October 2009 03:45:10 PM

-- Edited by Chandre on Friday 16th of October 2009 08:29:13 AM

Chandre · Dedicated to the truth

Hi everyone

As you can see we have finished our Mission Statement and I believe we all feel its something we can be proud of.

Randy Lewis kindly offered us some thoughts on moving forward which I've edited slightly for discussion

The Planetary Truth Project is a grass-roots group of people that believe in freedom, knowledge and access to raw data.The goal of TPTP is to spread the message about the politicization of the government’s space program and the deliberate manipulation of publically-accessible information to the scientific community and other intelligent, open-minded individuals wishing to better understand humanity’s developmental future.We will provide high-quality, verifiable information through social media, science and science-fiction oriented conventions, tradeshows and mainstream programming.Our actions will prove to those in the secrecy regime that we are prepared for both the truth and the future.

Here’s my thought process about why I’ve selected these words and sentences for a mission statement.

1. We need to alert the scientific community that they are being manipulated and that a quantum shift in scientific theory is about to set them on their ear.

We cannot count on mainstream media or big-market advertising, obviously. Or Wall Street or even your local City Council. No, I think that, like a business plan, we identify the target market and fill a need. "The need," for geeks, is to know something before everyone else; to allow us to feel superior and better prepared for our future than our neighbors.

2. We also need to proselytize to the masses, through social media, the Internet, and conventions. Many like-minded people will easily follow us with a well-executed and fairly simple Internet-Social Media campaign; the "conspiracytainment" crowd as Shol’va might say.

The thing is, the waters of the "conspiracytainment" crowd run a hell of a lot deeper and faster than the moniker belies. Consider, we're just a very small smidgen of a crowd excited about the future, curious about our surroundings, and mistrustful of the government. Lots of opportunity to attract more like-minded folks to spread the word. Do not discount the geeks.

3. Let’s focus narrowly on more reasonable, easier to digest topics like water and plant-life for now until the logjam of cynicism starts to ease.

One Single Drop has also suggested that we should look at another form of dsitribution of the information as many people do not have access to the internet. OSD suggested flyers.

To summarise, does anyone have any ideas or input on the following ideas ;

1. How do we reach the 'geeks' as a target market ?
2. Who in the 'masses' do we want to reach and how do we reach them via the media ?
3. What are we going to present from our evidence on this site ?
4. What other ways can we use to distribute our message ?

Any ideas and input would be welcome !

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"Creating a fiction when stating a fact destroys the credibility of the truth one are trying to convey"

"Creating a fiction when stating a fact destroys the credibility of the truth one are trying to convey"

"Creating a fiction when stating a fact destroys the credibility of the truth one are trying to convey"