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137-021104-0533-6-3d2-01-HaleCrater_H.jpg

I saw this tower in the original photo without zooming in.  This tower is huge!  These photos are like treasure hunting.  There is more there than one person can see. Besides the structure, use the other details to define what you see.  Shadows play a very important part.

Hale Tower.jpg




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Agreed, Papadipongo. You are doing a fantastic job!!! And this forum here is amazing, enabling regular people like us to bring our evidence to others interested in the topic for scrutiny. Don't worry, we know you are sincere!!! Hang in there and good work!!!biggrin

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thx chandre but don't worry.
i'm used to this kind of stuff, and absolutely not impressed when the arguments presented are equal to zero.
i'm always avliable to admit i did an error or hunted an illusion, but i smell this isn't the case.
u can't imagine how many times i've been accused to create deliberatly my images: this happens when the images are so STRONG and DISTURBING to provocate an ISTINCTIVE REACTION that ends with attempts ofpersonal aggression.
it's a sign that the images rocks : it's a good sign ! ;)
so when it happens i'm happy ! ;)



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Papa, do not lose heart. We understand exactly what you are saying when you post. WE know that you are doing your work, like all of us, on your own and to the best of your abilities and WE do not believe for one minute that you are manipulating images to create anomalies. You are trying to share what you are finding so that WE can all talk about it. We are not scientists or specialists, I think most of us are just normal people noticing things that worry us and wanting to do what we can to change things. WE appreciate the work you are doing ! smile

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@Winston

i know u don't like the "red ovals" :)
but u have to look into the red oval again.


panoramic

By caforio at 2009-07-07

red oval area

By caforio at 2009-04-26

a couple of close zooms

the rod

By caforio at 2009-07-07

the boiler

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for Winston

areal view ( look also around... )

By caforio at 2009-07-05

focus on the lines ( notice the structure shape )

By caforio at 2009-07-05

zoom 1 ( first plane )

By caforio at 2009-04-25

zoom2 ( notice the structure shape )

By caforio at 2009-04-25

zoom3 ( notice mechanical junctions )

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i hope u see it nowWinston..

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By caforio at 2009-07-03

for rblewis6

in my op ( the quality of the mother image is horrible.. )there is a squared building on the center of the image and on the right u can see a couple of object, one strongly looking like the simpson's springfield nuclear reactor :)

the rest seems to be too confused, and also if there is something of intresting we can see it due to a lot of "disturbs" of the image ( pointing to a possible blurring/tampering work )

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m image without colour added, just a little change of brightness and contrast respect to he original i downloaded from esa's website



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for winston
this is the mother image




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thx humanoid
i tried gimp but it's inferior to microsoft pic manager( the program i used for these images )
whatever it has tools that may be useful as the contrast mask, to perform better the images
i think i will be forced to payfurious the full version of mic pic manager, i had only a free time limited demo


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Hi papa

If you want really good Photoshop alternativeand completely free by that, you can download GIMP 2.6.6 for Windows. I was pointed to it by Winston.
Another good free image processing program is IrfanView, but GIMP is more professional juggle.gif
Cheers and keep digging for anomalies smile


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papadipongo wrote:

seems that a couple of my images have been deleted
deleted here and in the image-sharing website

i will post em again, and all life long if necessary
furious



Hi papa, not sure what you mean by missing images being deleted? I did move your posts to the relevant topic (I did PM & email you about this), please let me know what is missing and I will look into it.



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By caforio at 2009-06-27

"cigar & boiler"

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seems that a couple of my images have been deleted
deleted here and in the image-sharing website

i will post em again, and all life long if necessary
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thx rblewis in effect some artifacts i spotted are good
i ask myself: why i never seen before the disc-parabola or the others in any video or website with a topic concerning the Hale crater images?
it's strange as they have been deeply analized...
i hope skipper can see them if he yet did'nt found em
i would behappy ifsomeone with the right instruments would be so nice to process these images with a seriuos graphic program
whatever something tell me that skipper yet spotted this stuff that will be relased with the "warfare evdiences" category
keep present that the results i obtained come from a basic program, with a seriuos program they can be a bomb

the structure u found can be a compression artifact, as far as i know, whatever i can't be sure i should analyze it
considering how appears the ground around the artifact it could be something of intresting.


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Hey Papadipongo. I am really impressed with what you found in Hale Crater, and, as I see you've been reading Mr. Skipper's reports, you know there is much more there. I live in Los Angeles, which many do not know, is actually located in a "bowl" surrounded my mountains and the ocean. There are a few spots when you come downa hill and are treated to an impressive view of the whole city +surrounding towns. Recently,when I came down one of those hills, I was amazed how much Hale Crated kind of looked like Los Angeles. When Mr. Skipper's posted about Hale Crater, I didn't believe, so I searched myself.I found the attached image...there is No Way that this is image compression. I see the Capital Building for the United States. Either it is on Mars, or ESA is using image artifacts from around the world.

So, Papdipongo, I salute you and welcome more discoveries from you.

**If anyone would like, I can provide you with the original image, but you can also download it from ESA's website.

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bad astronomy guys aren't avliable to admit thah some sightings are clealry abnormal and not rliable to standard compression artifact "random"

whatever i recived a message of solidariety from a senior member convinced as me of the anormality of some sightings; sadly, again a private message, like if we should feel shame for our opinions

this the effect i was talikng about in the last post
doesn't count the quantity, but the quality, or also the intresting sightings are simply ignored
they simply pointed to example of standard pixel artifacts as in the example in my last post, resolving the question without asking themselves why for example the disc is orientated at the right angle respect the point of view and its form is at least absurd for a standard compression artifacts

whatever they are so educated that i preferred give it up in a good way
whitout to think also for a second to give it up with the visual research of anomlies not reliable to the standard.. ;)



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I have great respect for the members of the bad astronomy forum and the knowledge they hold, and after reading your thread about Hale it is good to see after all this time they have not slackend in their wisdom or their resolve (I am glad that the thread ended on a good note and you gained the respect of its members).

I look forward to the day when we have planetry cameras that can give us a resolution like what we get from google earth or better, lol...maybe we should send Hubble to image the planets in 5 years time instead of dumping her in the Pacific.




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i'm not discouraged
also i don't care from the opinions

only the facts count

i agree with skipper about a possible data manipulation
i think it's possible some artifacts have been "exagerated" in some images as they really look too much strange as the ones posted here
also it seems to me some areas are like airbrushed

also, i want to leave open the ipotesis something strange is really up there

but we must be veryselective : http://www.bautforum.com/attachments/conspiracy-theories/10022d1241008422-hale-crater-esas-images-ord.jpg
look to this example ; it's just a river i think but we can see artifacts like many of the artifacs on hale crater's images

obviuosly, i still think that sightings like the 2 silos, the disc, and other ones i see on the web ( also in the moon )are indeed anomalies not standard and at least not random
but we need to be very selective or the sceptics will have an easy work to debunk all, deleting also appreciable results that would deserve to be showed that will be ignored and confused with sightings of "low quality"
i think this can be an error that skipper do, whatever i have respect of his work as he ispired this intrest to me..and i believe a part of his images are really really intresting


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I can understand your frustration with people not seeing your evidence, but every individual has a differing perspective to any evidence put before them, a lot of people have difficulty in seeing anomalies even when the images are crystal clear, and most people are so set in their ways that nothing will change their oppinion (it is the same for you regarding your statement bellow)

but i must say that many of his images aren't clear and many others seems to show only particupar rock formations but are described as buildings

I don't always agree with mr skippers evidence, but his arguments for Data manipulation is strong, plus he always supplies links to the image source, and never forces the issue.

The main thing is putting your evidence to them, if they say "No I do not see anything" you say fine thank you for looking, (you cannot make people accept your evidence), and if you try to force the issue people will only flame you and you will have lost the interest you hoped to achieve and your argument would of died along with your thread.



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just to make some lols
here is an example of the arguments of the worst sceptics
my comments ae between the arrows

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Sorry, no...I don't see any "abnormally raised" anything...

>well wear ur grandfather's glasses man<

...and if you can't bring yourself to use the word "you" instead of "u" then you will be ignored. (at least by me.)

>hmm<

hahhahahaahahahahha



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in my opinion u should open all
but to post comments they should register so they can be banned if they become offnesive
whatever no problem for me
i'm learning to fight with sceptics into some "pretty seriuos" forums where i got shovels of ****s evry time

but listen to me, usually with an average of 3,4 pages of insults and snob comments, the first doubts start toappearingin the most intelligent ones..funny

Skipper is a big one, he inspired to me this sort of passion, but i must say that many of his images aren't clear and many others seems to show only particupar rock formations but are described as buildings
indeed Skipper has been tricked many times from standar pixel and compression artifacts
i mean that we should keep this forum to an "high level" resarching deeply only the more intresting sightins and matters ; u know that many time too much enthusiasm can be harmful for the resarch of what is out from the official dogmas
in this way alsothe sceptics snoobs that will come here willbe soon or later at the angle



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hey if u are in contact with Skipper signal him this post cause i'd like if he will add the disc-parabola and the rest he find intresting in his research
i yet tried but without results to contatct him

i think that the disc and the 2 silos deserve to be added and i can't find em in his images so tell him to feel free to add em

i want this stuff spread everywhere
it's too funny to listen the scepticsto explain this stuff with supposed "random compression artifacts"no




I am not in personal contact with Mr Skipper at the moment, he is a very busy person, and as he has stated "he receives an huge amount of email and images and does not have time to answer them all" (His site has gained a great deal of interest over the past 18 months), I am sure if you have sent him the information he will of looked at it, and who knows he may get time to reply at a later date.

I am still tweaking the forum and at the moment most of the boards can only be read by registered members, my reasoning behind this, was the privacy and limited copy right of members postings, but I have had several emails requesting to open the boards ro read only which I am concidering (Although I will not open the forum to anonymous posting as it would be a nightmare to moderate).

I understand and support you wanting to spread yours and others findings to everyone, but the secrecy machine is huge, and most people accept the establishments evidence and viewpoint before understanding the alternative evidence we put before them, most people have after all been indoctrinated into not questioning the establishment (and even think they wouldn't lie to them), but we are slowly opening the closed minds (even some in science have noticed the manipulation of data), but it will take a little longer until the secrecy machine has fallen



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By caforio at 2009-04-28

other stuff
buidings, and strange things
notice the metal monolith to the right confuse

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By caforio at 2009-04-28

another one beautiful shot

donno what is that in the red circle, it can seem a rock at a first watch, but look the "bouncing" sphere on it

this could be aother relict

also as rock, it has a strange form and seems to be done of something of different from the rest fo the surface, like the strange rock crashed in the crater i posted before



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hey if u are in contact with Skipper signal him this post cause i'd like if he will add the disc-parabola and the rest he find intresting in his research
i yet tried but without results to contatct him

i think that the disc and the 2 silos deserve to be added and i can't find em in his images so tell him to feel free to add em

i want this stuff spread everywhere
it's too funny to listen the scepticsto explain this stuff with supposed "random compression artifacts"no

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This is another one that is stumping me, I can't help thinking the "cigarette" belongs to to the brighter rock feature to the upper right, plus it reminds me of Mr skippers findings "Huge nozzle"..... report #029
Report #029Report #029

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yes i've seen
whatever in effect can be a strange rock deformed by the impact i think
indeed some elements of that rock are fascinating me ; i feel isn't all regular there but it's not enough clear to spend time on

and what u think about this 2 ?

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Not sure about this image as it seems geological, the impactor seems to of hit at an angle creating the splash effect, and the elongated crest in the center of the crater, I also noticed the bottom half of the crater image is made from a separate mosaic.

While playing around with the contrast colour etc.. I looked to the left of center of the crater and I noticed a strange rectangular shape, unfortunatly I can't get the image to download to the site, but if you bring the contrast down you will see it.

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for example i see somthing strange inside this "little" ( sevreal km of radius at a first look, but 'm not used to work with distances and numbers and proportions )

there is something that it's difficult to focus on, and this is also due to the "bouncing" effect that trick the eye giving the impression of a big rock
instead it's clearly a crater, as showedin this image that has been rotated from his original orientation in the esa's image

i think can be a craft shooted down

or a very very strange rock....confuse



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thx xenon
in effect this sighting is quite unattachable, tha's what intrests me first

strange thing, it has never been spotted before on the web ( or i didn't found it )


By caforio at 2009-04-26

-it can't be the product of erosion or a natural joke
its form is clear, and it's miles away from something of natural, and it'sdone of something of metallic
-notice also the regular striations in the border-surface of the disc (ARROWS )
-notice the clearness ofthe junctions between the "attached structure" and the turret/s, clearly mechanical junctions ( BIG RED CRICLE )
-notice a sort of perfect sphere in front of the disc ( LITTLE RED CIRCLE )

-it is positioned near the nord border of Hale crater, perfeclty oriented respect the point of viewfrom where image has been took
i mean, if we suppose it's a pixel artifact it should not appear at the right angle

- also its function seems quite intuitive, and, notice the coincidence, the position of the artifact in the area and its orientationit's pefectly logic for a defensive installation

-after a deep reaseach on esa's images i can assure u the structures are clearly in ruins for the main part and the feeling is that is all abandoned; many areas of the supposed cityseems to be hitted heavily...like collapsed or hitted by earthquake...or bombarded
i found also something that seems arelict of aspacecraft crushed...but i'm still workin on it i will post itlater i want be sure
i found also other artifact looking like ships or veichles crushed, spread around in the ground
example


By caforio at 2009-04-26

one object ( the "cigarette" i called it ) that seems crushed many kms at north of Hale crater . notice the shadow under it, it seems to be hammered in the sand...
anothr object semi-bunked to the right,very near ( it seems also to emit a lowlight from its center )
both are withe, and completly and clearly NOT rocks biggrin

yes seem there was a war or some kind of catastropheup there, or at least this is the illusion u can have..cause for me there are 2 possibilities
1-it's all there really
2-ESA's images have been doctored, maybe to pump up funds to em ; imagine the prospective the first nation will land there would have...a technological jump monstruous that could be a good motive to build a fake on to drain funds fromdementially dumb CIA-Pentagongenerals
the ipothesis 2 it's paradoxically more unlikely than the 1 biggrin



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Thank you, I can see the artifacts and the disc more clearer now the image is expanded (it does not look like a crater now), The structures do seem to have a geometric logic about them, and the more you look at the image the more you see, which raises the questions....Are they naturaly geological features or artificial?

I feel it is unlikely to be geological, as the shapes (or structures) are too uniform to be made by erosion or glaciation, I feel the shapes are made in a way for pupose, and as for the disc, it seems to be above from the surface at about a 70 degree angle, and even has a shadow (center left of the reflective dome), which raises the question are we looking at something artificial
and still in use? if so then we have the reasoning as to why the image would be tampered with in the first place

I think you may have stumbled on to something quite important here, and I hope others will join in this thread.







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By caforio at 2009-04-25

enlarged version without description
make ur own opinion
but isn't a crater !confusebiggrin

someone with a good program urgently needed

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try to look to my little images zooming em
it cannot be a crater
i will try to post an enlarged version but i'm not pratic of pc confuse

ok let's see
behind the disc there is a sort of metal reflecting pattern that could be normal pixel artifacts, that can obstacle a clear vision ; i cutted it

By caforio at 2009-04-25

red circle ; disc-parabola
green lines ; structure attached
orange circle ; one turret, and maybe a second turret behind the one in first plane

the problem is that pixel artifact arise in different ways, it's the type of surface that makes the difference
in areas of "low entropy" u have an uniform surface, like the send of a desert or a crater : an area of low entropy can be compressed
imagine an area at low entropy as a streak of letters uniform and similar

an example easy to understand
low entropy area : AAAAA
it can be compressed and rapresented with :5A

instead an area at "high entropy" is a surface not uniform, like rocks and mountains

high entropy area : GHJKL
it cannot be compressed but just rapresented with : GHJKL

so it's perfectly normal that rocky areas are unaffected orheavily less affectedby pixel artifacts

whatever i feel to fix some points
1. pixel artifacts and related illusions are anormally rised in the ESA's images of Hale Crater; actually i didn't see anything else similar in other images
yes, i see pixel artifacts , but miles far away from the definition of the images we are talkin about
so there is the possibility that these images can be doctored by ESA ( don't ask me why )
2.some artifact appears to have a strangegeometric logic like the disc-parabola i assure u can see easily watching carefully my images
some forms are indeed different from standard pixel artifacts, that for their nature arise in fix ways
pixel artifacts can be also vertical for example, giving theillusion of a tower airbrushed, but thay can't give illusion so complicated like this









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My eyesight is not as good as it was several years ago, but it just looks like a crater to me (I am not disputing your claim by the way), J Skippers site got me interested in the images of Hale crater (and the whole Image tampering issue), more so because the official explanation for the image was "Data corruption or JPEG artifacts", when the surrounding area was unaffected

Hopefully one of our members has the program to correct the tampering, I believe the best way to start is to copy the image in black and white then adust the contrast etc.

I love these videos which show the detail of Hale crater... http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=Hale+Crater&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=KjzzSeO4II2ZjAfElLGzDA&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=4&ct=title#

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ahhah
i feel at home finally

this is a sighting i want focus on
i need the feedback of all, best if expert in image and informatic stuff, or someone with a good program of image editing

many says the artifacts we can see on mars' surface are just pixel artifacts ; this can be truth for a big part
but not for all images
pixel generates the illusion of structures but their fantasy should be limited ? dont' u think ? biggrin
or nasa pc's are yet at the level of matrix ? biggrin

the following post has been censored in "serious" blogs as "newmars", there i've been banned and my post removed cause i refused to drink their explanations ; yes guys i've been censored and banned without to have ever offended anyone, better, i get offended also by moderators biggrin
let em speak of rock compositions and gas %


Hale Crater
The Disc-Parabola ( -Cannon ? )

evryone knows about hale crater it's an old story
many structures there ; but in honesty many patterns are very similar to "standard pixel artifacs"
indeed the quality of the definition of artifacts is abnormally rised...and this is how hale crater's images are intresting

i want to focus on a sight i did and i didn't find in the web yet
it's a structure u can find in the red circle
download esa's original image here :

http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?topic=&subtopic=&keyword=+hale+crater&subm2=GO


By caforio at 2009-04-19

look into the red circle if u want to have confirm

let's go down in the red circle


By caforio at 2009-03-27

u can see structures,ok

look to the right: there is a disc-parabola, and yes, it's perfectly oriented respect the point of view

let's aim it well


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By caforio at 2009-03-27

anyone with a good program to elaborate well this stuff
i have 11/10 on each eye men , if u don't see it , i can assure u it's a disc and on the right of the disc we have a couple of turrets pointed to the sky



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