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That is kind of weirdconfuse

 



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Great find Macten, I had found several areas simular to this back the SOL 700's, I want to say SOL 710, but I can't be certain without going back and digging through the archives here. 



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More broken stuff

https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/?s=1648&camera=MAST_1648ML0085300030700404E01_DXXX.jpg

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3 pics from sol 1630

I have noticed those traitors at JPL and NASA are getting better at their obfuscation methods. We need a method for direct interception of communications downloads from Curiosity. 

http://mars.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/?s=1630&camera=MAST_

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Hey thanks for the input Sapa, I do agree.  The older I've gotten and the more I learn I realize that we really do know nothing.  

I think I was having a few beers the other night when I wrote that but never the less the implications are crazy to think about.

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Levelwind.

Remember that we know nothing, the Internet is not what it started out as and we need to preserve our books. Preferably cut copies into granite.

Having had experiences I have had to justify to psychiatrists and been told Twice that I am NOT psychotic, I would say there's a possibility that we are owned as Charles Fort said in The Book of the Damned. Or there are space pirates who have boarded the planets in our solar system, using us to get the gold and other stuff out of the ground.

I am of the opinion that this reality is a construction of mind, and as there are more than just myself with mind, it is a consensus. That accounts for the media's obsession with lies and manipulation. I am also of the opinion that there is no death as I have stood outside this reality briefly and been put back, and that we and all life are seeded. This being so, we may be observers.Re - revisit the restaurant at the end of the universe, and Pauwels and Bergier's The Eternal Man.I have been deliberately knocked down, and also shot in the back with something that took 3 operations to dig out and left a hole through a bone, and more, not kidding. I think I am onto something for anyone to go to so much trouble to cause me terrible pain.

We have all chosen to be here in this manifestation of reality and at this time and our responsibility is to witness and record the truth of what we observe and save it into the Akashic Records which are indestructible as any remote viewer will tell you.

Here is a nice picture of a structure by the sea on Mars

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http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/?rawid=NLB_539621172EDR_F0603162NCAM00259M_&s=1601

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/?rawid=NLB_539621148EDR_F0603162NCAM00259M_&s=1601

 

and speaking of books, they had books on Mars, here's one with a picture of the author on the spine

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/?rawid=1600MR0081480020800630E01_DXXX&s=1600

Another book1600MR0081480020800630E01.png

 

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Keep on driving little rover. Check out that unassuming rock.

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  With all of the conspiracies going on around the world there is one that really disturbs me.  If NASA lies about one mission then we must questioned all the other missions.  What could possibly be the motivation for doing this?  This goes back to the kid that we all knew in school.  The one that you couldn’t believe a word he or she said.  For me it was a kid that went off to study with the Samurai in seventh grade.  I even made up stories as a kid, but with trillions of dollars invested I think this would be scrutinized a bit more.  I’m left with the most unsettling feeling when I think of the reasons to deceive the populous.  It creeps me out.  What is it?  Why do we need to be kept in the dark?   I know what they say about knowledge is power.  But this is on a whole different scale.    



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Oh wow I've only looked at one, the fourth of those on http://mars.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/all/opportunity_p4637.html but see this, (Frank Herbert my scifi hero wrote that military roads always go along the tops of hills.) I've marked the one on this,but look what slight adjustments of light reveal! Theres a bit below the road or path that seems like supports for the hillside or a structure

I've left it full size as a pdf The highest red circle shows a shield shape, use control+scroll

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Too much to mark all the interesting bits



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Hi Levelwind, the link to the black and white image second one down doesn't give any information about when it was or which rover and there's no way to click back to the previous link with the information. Could you post the previous link to this one as well please. It's very interesting and a good find.


 Oh yeah, sorry about that Sapa.  It's from the latest Opportunity Pictuers, 4637 pan cam.  http://mars.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/all/opportunity.html  Isn't that amazing, it sure looks like a pipe to me?

How weird is it that Opportunity is still roaming around?  Slated for a 90 day mission,  launched toward Mars on June 10, 2003.

Amazing!



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Hi Levelwind, the link to the black and white image second one down doesn't give any information about when it was or which rover and there's no way to click back to the previous link with the information. Could you post the previous link to this one as well please. It's very interesting and a good find.



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http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/2016/color-variations-on-mount-sharp-mars-white-balanced&s=2

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bluecat and Macten Thank you for the image http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/01587/mcam/1587ML0080930040605036E01_DXXX.jpg  I've just lost my Friday night over it !

I did a bit of exploring, here's a few more things I found to add to yours, bluecat it is wiped over in that place like you said. I found a greenish colour

Macten, I found treasure, some of the things in the distance seem to have wheels

 

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distance

 

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image below joins to right side of this one, archaeologist's dream, (shipwrecked pirates probably)

 

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and all pirate ships have books

 

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its two posts down from mine.



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Bluecat, Is this the same image as last post? I want to have a look at it.

Please add a link address to your post

 

Macten, I've seen these before, they look like metal prongs on a grill or fork or a support for rocks. I'll try to find some of the images I've saved later on.



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Spot the airbrushed part of the image I highlighted.

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Levelwind The first one looks like something creeping out, the second one blew me away when I opened the image. I might spend a little time there. It's a good find

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Phone?

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 I see what you mean about the phone thing, it does like like some sort of pattern on it and it's 

awfully perfect.  The rock behind it doesn't look natural to me either.  And how about that folded rock below?  

There's quite a few anomalies in this one.  Nice find!

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Fuselage?



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At first the half buried skull caught my eye, then I noticed to the right of it is a thin piece of metal

sticking out.  Even more interesting is the shadow its casting.  Looks like it has a perfect crescent

moon on top of it.

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Too bad there's rock in front of this thing, but I bet you can still tell that it's manufactured.  Looks

like the top of an astronauts helmet that is partially buried, and in pretty good shape too.



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Phone?

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Sapa wrote:

I'm glad you mentioned the tablet. I did find things along that path in other images; one with usb ports and pins that fastened it to a metal rod. I've seen what looks like a phone. There is definitely at least one electric kiln. I've posted them before (except the phone - I'll find it) so won't bore you with them but you could do with a category for electrical and wireless electronics :)

Nice hunting, I like the latest one here. It only takes ONE object that isn't made by wind water and sand to establish that sentient beings do or have lived on Mars.



-- Edited by Sapa on Sunday 22nd of January 2017 04:32:33 PM


 I am having too much fun with this last set.  I thought I was all caught up with the images, but I guess not.smile 

I checked out your blog again today, you've been busy.  I like that software you used, looks like you can do a lot

with it.  I'm still on the Microsoft office picture manager.  



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Look at all of the disc shapes circled in red.  Kind of a lot for one area.



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I'm glad you mentioned the tablet. I did find things along that path in other images; one with usb ports and pins that fastened it to a metal rod. I've seen what looks like a phone. There is definitely at least one electric kiln. I've posted them before (except the phone - I'll find it) so won't bore you with them but you could do with a category for electrical and wireless electronics :)

Nice hunting, I like your latest one here. It only takes ONE object that isn't made by wind water and sand to establish that sentient beings do or have lived on Mars.


Some tool knapping here Screenshot from 2017-01-22 16:37:27.png

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00703/mcam/0703MR0029771120402399E01_DXXX.jpg

 



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Looks like NASA had time to smear the front of this thing.

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And if you don't feel like smearing just cut and paste a rock over it.  Thanks NASA.



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I found a gigapan from sol 703 this morning.  http://gigapan.com/gigapans/177043  I was blown away at the amount of anomalies. 

I went to the raw data and it has 733 images.  I checked my library of mars pictures and realized I never looked at this set. 

Some pretty amazing stuff there.  Here's one from the gigapan, you can find it at bottom right.

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http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/01555/mcam/1555ML0079860010604802E01_DXXX.jpg

Here's another angle from farther out.

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Another pipe?confuse



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