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Hi Guys interesting points...

I've seen this and thought i post it Let me know your thoughts ,  i haven't seen any post about it , can someone check into it please.

Anyone found this from a different angle? would be good to investigate.

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Sorry about that, It was the third of three from your previous post, rotated counterclockwise............"There are other funny things in this photo that look like long dead animals, nothing recognisable by earthly standards of course.  A strange looking "rock" with a square door on it stands above a grotesque skull in the last pic."

 

 



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I dont recognise the pic, could you post a reference ? Is it part of an earlier post in this thread?



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I think this one might be one of my favourite ones yet.  To me it almost looks as if someone was tryin' to get out of an crashed escape pod, or possibly a sarcophagus that has broken open. Ony highlighted the "arm" to keep it simple.

Hi Macten would there happen to be pictures that also may show a bit more of the surrounding area?

Thanks, Phil

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The way the projections are at the same angles relative to the ground is reminicent of a spinal column.  I also think it looks like bones. There are other funny things in this photo that look like long dead animals, nothing recognisable by earthly standards of course.  A strange looking "rock" with a square door on it stands above a grotesque skull in the last pic.

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Thank you.  Not being a scientist myself, I still have opinions of my own that may be acceptable in any forum.  I do not offer opinions to offend or upset anyone, I feel opinions are worth sharing.  Some agree with me and some do not, why argue.  I feel Mars had a violent end to its civilization and there is a lot of evidence to that effect.  Yes, hard science is needed to verify

and maybe one day some "hands on" science will be available.  If only within my lifetime...



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Warning: Opinion oriented reply.

Agreed, me too, but some in this forum believe we should be more "scientific" in our approach. I have had lengthy conversations with those who dont believe that I am qualified enough to even offer an opinion. Well I say to them, so what? I will offer my opinion whether they like it or not.  No one has to agree, and that is the point. If you do not like my assesment of the evidence then it is your right to dispute it and counter, But, I still dont have to agree.

THe original question has not been answered. Is there any way to tell what size "bones" or any other object in a picture is? Is there a formula you can use by resolution or photo size?

 



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When I saw the Curiosity pics, these are what they reminded me of.

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The way the projections are at the same angles relative to the ground is reminicent of a spinal column.  I also think it looks like bones. There are other funny things in this photo that look like long dead animals, nothing recognisable by earthly standards of course.  A strange looking "rock" with a square door on it stands above a grotesque skull in the last pic.

Good find

 

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OK, you got me.  I'm not a biologist in any way, shape or form.  I'm just a simple guy with reasonable intelligence and these appear to be bones to me and a lot of others.

Maybe it's just wishful thinking...



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quil207, I would be interested to know what makes you think the highlighted objects are 'bones'.



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Maybe I have not seen more info. on this.  Does anyone have an estimate on the size of these bones?

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Yes, here is the link.  I mistakenly named this as being SOL129, it's actually SOL29.

http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/029/2P128948573EFF0327P2380L7M1.HTML



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Hey Morbius, what are you talking about?  And guil207 do you have a link to this photo?

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Quil207, hello./ Q. , if there are 3 apples and you take away 2, how many do you have ?/. Here is the same photo with the obfuscation layers accented. What you have circled are darker ' show-through ' areas that are part of a larger machine and operator/s ... in my opinion. Watch out for this stuff, and learn to pick out a clearer pic by avoiding these ' low return ' ( excessively modified ) pics./A.  2, you took them, remember ? /ha  ashamed    -Morbius

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Here is one I forgot about, interesting bunch of things.

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Nice work.



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quil207, hello again, have discounted the next 8 pics, but the last, 10th, deserves some comment, as it is a direct continuation of the 1st pic, examined earlier. The attached then, are a follow-up and, being annotate, should be fairly self-explanatory. Interestingly, Marsrocks has also noted, and commented on, this very same anomaly found in this peculiar but instructive pic. regards  smile 

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Thank you and thank you for checking the pics out.



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Unfortunately not saying very much about the anomalies and the so called 'GOLD Standard' is a little off target! 
How about.....  Learning to understand Mars geology standard!
Topographical studies plus a deep understanding  remote data would be ur 1st class.
No need running when one can barely walk ;)
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1. Obfuscation Awareness

2. Learning to Identify

3. Detail Possible

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sorry, I forgot .. again     ashamed  /M



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Here you go quil207, am attaching a 3 set reply to your 1st of 10 pictures which, as I said ' would be happy to take a look at.' Will be examining the others and post them one at a time,  if you don't mind. They are indeed some nice choices. The attached are annotated and should be of some help in gaining an initial respect and understanding of problematic areas of anomaly identification.  regards                    -Morbius

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Yes, interesting stuff all over.

Have you been following Curiosity?  Look at these.

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http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/599/2N179546209EFFAEGHP0775L0M1.JPG  One sol before.  There are strange things laying all over the place.

 

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Close ups of your first link or the third pic down below> http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/600/2N179636254EFFAEGHP0615R0M1.HTML

 



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Happy to oblige.  Science is supposed to be about the search for truth...  I just wish that these objects were viewed closer up, perhaps they were by someone keeping the lid shut.

http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/600/2N179636254EFFAEGHP0615L0M1.HTML

http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/600/2N179636097EFFAEGHP0615L0M1.HTML

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Hey Guil those are some fascinating photos.  The first two I don't think I've seen before but 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7, we have talked about quite a bit.  There is a report on Skippers site about the eel looking thing and the square hole in the rock. Hopefully he can get that back up and running pretty soon.  There is a thread somewhere on here entitled square holes in rocks.  It might be on there I'm not sure.  Do you have any links for the first two or the last three?  I would love to look at them a little more. 



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As far as as words of explanation, that would be hard.  What looks like something to one may look like something else to another.  What I believe is that the circled objects are not formed naturally.  The composition of them is unknown, could be carved rock or some artificial materials.  The uses of these objects also is unknown.  I just think they need to be looked at more closely and maybe some explanation will come up.  The real shame is that these objects were not photographed more up close, if they were the pictures were not made available.  That in itself is the saddest part.  If only we could go there and take a closer look and study them on the surface.  

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Sure, I hope you like these.



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quil207, hello. Have you considered sharing a post, a pic with some circles/arrows and a few words of explanation on the ' pieces of unknown machine.' Would be happy to take a look ... and a good exercise for you too!   smile        -Morbius

 



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Hello Morbius, well I see what appears to me to be pieces of some unknown machine.  What I believe to be manufactured pieces of a native made machine.  This pic was taken by the Spirit rover, raw images, on SOL 541 on this link.

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Nice, similar to this.


 Please click on pictures to find the objects of interest. And don't forget about the subjective perception of the



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Hello guil207, and thanks for the reply. Just where did you get the pic? And, as important, what do you see in it ?             -Morbius



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Nice, similar to this.



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Yes Chandre , and you have been instrumental in my gaining of that essential quality of understanding . So , will continue to follow and promote what I can now consider reasonable and fair guidelines . It is really I then , who should be thanking you , and so I do ..much appreciated.  -Morbius



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Thank you Morbius for understanding the essence of what we are trying to create, a forum for free speech and thought and expression but withing the confines of what is considered to be polite and respectful to other members.

Iceman, the lines you have added really do highlight the anomaly and show the underlying forms to be suspiciously constructed. We have seen similar forms before

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This is your original image with some badly applied paint, but I think you will all agree that the similarities are clearly visible.

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That is not simple TW! I percieve however , there is much to be gleaned from your critique , and will pursue this in further detail. I wish you would not speak to people , like down-to , but with people , eye to eye , face to face , heart to heart. This is respectful ,  and you know what TW , it easily overcomes obstacles ... and gains respect too! I do not say this lightly .  When viewing Chandre's directive , I sat looking at the screen for 20 minutes. My mind was in hyperdrive juggling things around , a controversy raged as to who I thought I was ... and who I should be. In the end , when the smoke cleared away , I was left with the inescapable conclusion that Chandre was correct ,  and posted a reply to abide by such advice . I think I have lived up to this commitment , and will continue to do so . It was then , not without a struggle to decide , and yet have always felt the better for it .. there's always room for improvement I guess . I am hoping all will take this to heart .. it is important .

Perhaps I should have named it Hippo Hotel , Hyena Hideout .. anything but Sue! I think I'm gonna put up a suprise Post for you TW .. wouldn't that be something?!!/ Cheerssmile        -Morbius



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What raised my eyebrows when I first began studying photographs from Mars was the fact that here and there one could see
 part of a hardware or building with metal gloss finish. Indicating that the overall image quality would be much 
greater than the subject as a whole indicated . This discrepancy is still present. It is a fact that the metal gloss appears, in pictures
only if high resolution is the case. The accompanying photo shows, an example of this. Image quality that can be seen
in Figure 2, (photo taken on Mars) is not displayed when taking landscape pictures, in my view there is a serious discrepancy in the case.

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Morbius, Hi.
Im going to make this as simple as possible. I will stay on point mentioning the key problem
(which needn't be perplexing as you have stated)
1st your context.  A Mars surface feature you noted as an 'Admin' block. Notice those 2 simple words.

Admin
= structure? Form? Or is it a function that has nothing to do with geology or aiding the concept of the structure as it is an abstract activity. A distraction to a more earthly, human daily beaurocratic function/job/activity within any set location ?
Block = denotes structure etc Perfectly easy to grasp..

Now imagine I take your 'admin block' description train of thinking.
Image-of-Mrtian-gorilla.jpg..

 

<+++ What would you say if I called this a Residential block or a Post office Block??
  There is a level of description that does no justice to an image.  In fact in many ways , its designed to undermine the structure  and turn  a perfectly good, interesting anomaly into a thing to ridicule. Each and evey anomaly found or highlighted is important until its debunked. 

 

 


Morbius your last post.. was a little confusing but I understand what your trying to say. In design or engineering etc theres a an acronym used. K.I.S.S
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eep It Simple Stupid.   These are some of the secrets of  good design analysis, build etc.  It can be applied to almost everything.  keep close to the context.  Theres no problems with any kind of description... Hell , you could call it a Hippo. Just remember that some of us  want clarification on what you talking about. My simple question should have got a simple answer.  . Function will only be understood in more obvious examples, like struts supports, bridges etc terms like cup, vase ,shelters etc are great forms with functions we can kinda grasp. Now add an admin block Statement to desribe a low-res mound structure... Did u honestly think no one woukd question such a description? 

Interestingly IceMan is doing stirling work spurred on directly or indirectly from this exact problem. His structural studies (though again open to interpretation due to poorres) are allowing him a deeper understanding of the anomaly.
/download.spark?ID=1241452&aBID=47797

Great work IceMan. Its all about the structural integrity. there are problems with depth but second cam image should seperate structures in different plains (paralax motion). Flick between 2 frames to see what moves in relattion to main form. That kinda underlines my point.

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TW. What is the descriptive difference in " the debate on structural descriptions that point to function -instead of form?"  As ' geo-structures ' are a natural-structure , -an Ayer's Rock or Boulder by definition , is this the 'form' that is disqualified? Or is the ' function ' of import because it was referred to as an Administration Building? Or is there something else here that perhaps an English Professor or Master should sort through for consensus? Would you be so kind as to clarify these problematic areas for us to grasp, or get a handle on these concepts in total? Am including 4 dictionary descriptions to be of some assist for this perplexing anomaly status.                        -Morbius

Construct  v build or put together

Construction

n 1. constructing

   2. thing constructed

   3. interpretation

   4. grammer -way in which words are arranged in a sentence, clause, or phrase.

Construe

1. interpret

2. analyse grammatically

Constructive adj. ( of advise, criticism, etc.)) useful and helpful

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Yes Levelwind, I think we see there only the tip of the iceberg.

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You can even see the overhead door open on the quonset hut of the admin building.

 

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Interesting point examined more closely. it's actually much more to see in the original picture if you look closely.

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 TheWatcher, I think I am not obliged to answer some things that I have no interest to answering.



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ICEMAN... IM not even breaking sweat ;)... Can u reply to my points? (Still breathing)

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Iceman, I can appreciate English not being your mother tongue but have you any ability to grasp the debate on structural descriptions that point to function instead of form? Sometimes your posts exasperate me. Trying to be clever only trips you up on your poorly cloaked attempted nuances . Read the thread through properly. Then progress forward. It cant be hard!no



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Morbius, has been accused of saying more than he can prove, but who has not been in such circumstances. But to show that morbius knows more than, various of pretending to know better, do I toggle an item to support him.

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lol fighting for NASA. No need to throw NASA under the bus when ur hypothesis  has been basically explained.  If your asking why things happen? Then u get an answer. If your telling us what uve found equates to a NASA cover up then sadly you haven't shown anything that contradicts my explanation to ur accusation. Sometimes to progress you need to research and when wrong admit it. Nasa is completely innocent in your findings. That round peg of urs wont fit in the square hole of known knowledge base utilized everyday by photographers and motion picture cameramen.  





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For further information on the project, noting that the immediate background to the forground ("rock") is treated the same way as the foreground
 so TheWatcher example shows, fail as a practical example.
TheWatcher, no matter what you fight for the interests of NASA, both here and on J.P. Skippers guestbook.

We succeed, our knowledge grows, we approach the final goal. See what NASA is doing now: look up an old sources in the current challenging research project. I call this strengthening the foundation of delusion.



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Like I've always said. Your presumption is bAsed on a very small knowledge base of optics. Your last statement makes my point. You can always believe what u want to but when pronouncing this as fact beyond yourself is a little naive. The points showing what's causing ur affect plus lens distortion is ignored. General ststemts about Nasa with no actual methodology will fall on deaf ears And will be shelved in the realms of ill thought out ideas. It's patently obvious you dont understand nothing motion parallax. Also the distortion on lens types has to play a role. Declaring NASAs image as fake has no substance. TW






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