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in the PIA16051 shot at 29184 x 4144 pixels the coordinates of that rock are X:16084 Y:2495 px and it can be seen at 200% zoom



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this is the link to te original picture, this rock is just to the left of the "central" black rectangle, http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA16051

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Hello Icarus! The reference to the original is desirable always. Remember please



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I found a spiral stone, maybe a snail? here are the shots, it is in the PIA16051 shot.

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Indeed, I see it too, but it does not look so well sculptured as the other one.



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-- Edited by ejwilson on Friday 7th of September 2012 07:18:27 AM

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2nd pentagon with circle
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I found another pentagon with circle to the lower right of the first. -- E.J.



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I found a second pentagon with circle to the lower right of the first
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When I try to embed pictures, it doesn't work. I get the dreaded red X.  So i'll link to it, and maybe even attach it.  Perhaps one of you veterans can give me some pointers on embedding a pic. -- E.J.

http://www.picpaste.com/Another_Pentagon_with_circle-g7hfvqVT.jpg

 



-- Edited by ejwilson on Friday 7th of September 2012 07:19:02 AM

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ejwilson wrote:

I found the skull. I had not scrolled right far enough.  Interesting.


 I thought so too. :)

I have not marked it with yellow on the last picture, but a small nose can be seen between the eyes and the mouth.

 

This screenshot is taken from Google Earth (Mars) because although the panorama is darker then the original one on the Nasa site, you get a clearer image when zooming in. Just search for Gale crater.

The original panorama on the Nasa site can be found here: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/multimedia/pia16100.html

Just in case somebody wants to verify the data, I have added a picture so you can locate it yourselfs on the panorama. :)

Metal Sheet+Grey Skull+Pentagon+Pyramid+Metal Ball Location.jpg



-- Edited by Discus on Thursday 6th of September 2012 08:33:59 AM

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ejwilson wrote:

I can't see these objects you are describing.  It would help if you draw arrows and annotate.  -- E.J.


 I have added another picture with yellow markings and annotations and hope this will make it more clear to see. :)

Metal Sheet+Grey Skull+Pentagon+Pyramid+Metal Ball 3.jpg



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I found the skull. I had not scrolled right far enough.  Interesting.



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I can't see these objects you are describing.  It would help if you draw arrows and annotate.  -- E.J.



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What are your thoughts about the following pictures.

I can see some sort of metallic bend sheet with a grey alien skull under it that is almost to perfect to be real, a pentagon, a small pyramid and a metal ball of some sort that could fit in the perfectly round circle in the middle of the pentagon.

Metal Sheet+Grey Skull+Pentagon+Pyramid+Metal Ball.jpgMetal Sheet+Grey Skull+Pentagon+Pyramid+Metal Ball 2.jpg



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Thanks timewarp, am looking forward to your reference. I have seen many very small structures and might have even captured a resident. That is open for debate tho...  If Jumpjack wants to see an example of blurring, he needs to look no further than Iceman's enhancement of Ejwilsons metallic object. There is blurring in front and behind the object. This object is much larger than meets the eye.

 

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Some very good finds are being shown and I suspect there will be many more in the future.

As a matter of interest, I ask that you take a concentrated look at what is showing in my avatar. This image was not captured here as some people seem to think. I only found it by chance when adjusting one of the images captured by Opportunity some years ago.  The characters are millimeters in size and the sculptural depiction has an Egyptian feel about it - take note of the anubis. There are also three young-looking characters showing and other facial representations showing.

I have only mentioned the above as you may see facial representations formed by what looks like a collection of small rocks, but may possibly be a collection of very tiny built structures. When searching, keep a look-out for anything that may resemble a tower structure as close by there may be other structures. Many of these facial representations can also be found on many of the large rocks all over the planet. Incidentally, one of the recent NavCam images is displaying a vast number of interesting artifacts and representations. I will post the reference later.



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Thanks EJWilson, I couldn't have said it better myself. After going thru the first 80 SOL's (days) of the Spirit rover EDR's I have not found many pics that have not been blurred, masked, or in some other way distorted.

I have found one trick they do on a consistent basis is to "overexpose" the photos by increasing the brightness and decreasing the black level. Sometimes they will also decrease the white level. Many of the "sand dunes" just do not exist. (IMHO)

Welcome and thanks for your contribution Jumpjack.  The "bones" are common in Mars pics but this is an excellent example.



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Jumpjack,

If you want to see proof that NASA/JPL/Malin covers things up, then you should see J.P. Skippers work at http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/ .  Just read any of the articles. We know without a doubt they play with the source data.  Mess with the colors and resolution of the photos, they very often tamper with the photo by laying on a fake image layer.  Don't take anyone's word, not even NASA.  Do your own research, and J.P.'s site is a great place to start.

Nice work here. I especially am interested in the pencil-like cylinder in your 2nd picture from the left.  Really more looks like a cheapie Bic pen.  Of course, when I compare to common items on Earth, it's for reference only.  I'm not saying it IS a pen.  Just about the same form factor.

 

Best wishes, and keep seeking the truth.

-- E.J. Wilson



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Hi guys.
I don't think NASA covers up anything, but I strongly hope to find something more than just rocks&sand on MSL pictures.

Here they are my 2 cents.

 

I strongly recommend not to zoom into images while looking for anomalies, as artifact can turn simple rocks into ANYthing! Maximum "allowed" zoom should be 2x: if you don't see anything weird, there is NOT anything weird.

 

But the details on far right is VERY weird.

I definitely think it can't be a group of rocks.



-- Edited by jumpjack on Monday 20th of August 2012 04:47:58 PM

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ejwilson, I checked the image slightly.

 pia16051_figure_1_raw_smaller-full-cut3.JPGpia16051_figure_1_raw_smaller-full-cut2.JPG

 pia16051_figure_1_raw_smaller-full-cut1.JPG

 

 



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There's a new version of the original higher-quality image (Pia16051 figure 1 raw smaller-full), but different size.
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I found a panorama with the same name as the 59mb better quality panorama in which I made the discoveries. HOWEVER, this one is 47mb instead of 59mb.  So JPL apparently has done more than just move the original 59mb panorama. They have substituted this one for it under the same name.

Here is the new location. I have not yet looked to see what the differences are, but here's the link:

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/images/pia16051_figure_1_raw_smaller-full.jpg  

 

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Could be, telecommunications equipments.

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When comparing the other shadow directions in the image I notice they move from left to right away from the sunlight...which means the sort of illusion of a clam shell is perhaps actually an overhang of some type or an object embedded in the ground.  It seems to me that the light is being obscured from whatever is underneath.  My feeling is that there may have been a creature that has either dug beneath the surface structure or might just be wind erosion.  Take another look at the context of the image and think about.  Very interesting indeed. 



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EJ, thank you for sending me your large jpeg image!

 

 

 

The one he marked as "M" looks a lot like a clam shell.  It is from Curiosity sol 3:

These images below are from the individual sol 3 raw left mast image (linked below):



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http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/....9000E1_DXXX.jpg

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA16051

Interestingly, EJ Wilson discovered this on a large jpeg image which NASA had up - and EJ says they have since removed it and it is no longer available to the public. The jpeg and even the TIF they've put up for the public in its place are much worse images. Only the individual raw image appears to be slightly better:

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So, why then is NASA putting up a 362 MB tif, which is far worse than its original image? 

Is this how science works?

 

 

 



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EJ, Will you email me the better version you downloaded?

I would like to take a look at it.

If you will, my email is: marsrocks@gmail.com

 

 

 

 

 



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Okay, yes. Thanks.  To clarify, that's the http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/images/pia16051_figure_1_raw_smaller-full.jpg  which is no longer any good.  I suspected they might delete that one after posting the 7mb version to the catalog.  The problem is that the one they deleted was a much higher quality.  I'm glad I got it before they did.   The catalog version is muddier and lower res, and also has a decided streak right across the artifact in question.  HMMMM.

 

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M is particularly interesting.

Your main image link is broken.

There is a very large tif linked to it here, though:

 

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA16051

 



-- Edited by marsrocks on Friday 17th of August 2012 09:31:25 PM

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Okay. My first post. I didn't realize the file names were not preserved in attachment. SO here's the descriptions to go with the lettered Items.

E - Metallic bevel or "pillow" shape, with some odd digital smudging out to the left of it.
K - Hollow metal pipe, similar to a gutter drain pipe, with the exposed end shaped so it would sleeve into another section.
M - Very small clamshell-shaped item with longitudinal striopes.
O - Small cylinder, crushed in the middle.
P - small, metal, short cylinder. Shape is similar to button-cell type battery. It even has a raised rim on top.
Q - Metal disc, slightly concave. Looks like an aluminum coin.
S - Cylinder, widening toward the end. Shaped like a jump rope handle. Appears to be something attached to it on the right end.


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The following excerpts are from my annotated version of Curiosity's first color panorama, PIA 16051.

The NASA source I used is available for download at

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/images/pia16051_figure_1_raw_smaller-full.jpg

But it's a big one. It's 50+MB.  JPL has since posted a smaller version to their catalog at

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA16051.jpg

which runs around 9MB, but I don't know what the differences are.

 

A 25% size context view of my annotated version is at

http://www.picpaste.com/pics/pia16051_-_annotated_25__context_view-EqJ8XVlT.1345140289.jpg

You will need the annotated view if you wish to reference the location within the panorama of the following excerpts. The letters in the excerpts below correspond to the letters of the anomalies in the annotated context view.  The more significant items are E, K, M, O, P, Q, and S, and these are the ones I am attaching here.

The attached file names are descrptive and therefore self-explanatory. Note that when I say something looks like a "battery", I don't mean that I THINK it's a battery. That's just a general shape that people can relate to. Same thing for descriptive terms like "flashlight", "button cell", "Jump rope handle".  Sometimes you can tell the function from the form and sometimes you can't.  Sure would be nice to get some honest boots on the ground to check it out.   I would love to have a picture of these items from another angle, so we can rule out arguments like pareidolia.

As always, check these for yourself and see what you think.

Best wishes,

E.J. Wilson

 

 

 



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