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Cheers... read and become familiar with these valuable links.  the information will help towards understanding a little about whats actually happening.
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Be sure to notice the tabs along the top of this page on Curiosity. It gives many facts about weight and the makeup of the delivery package.



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part 1-4 of the planetry org series about curiosity
Part 1 - Tools
Part 2 - Sam
Part 3 - Drilling
Part 4 - Commissioning



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A little more about the Chemcam and laser weapon it carries. A million lightbulbs worth of energy could probably zap and kill an awkward Martian too if he wants to dismantle the Curiosity like he did with Phoenix and Spirit ! Chemcam Laser First Analyzes Yield Beautiful Results by Staff Writers Los Alamos NM (SPX) Aug 24, 2012 When ChemCam fires its extremely powerful laser pulse, it briefly focuses the energy of a million light bulbs onto an area the size of a pinhead. The laser blast vaporizes a small amount of its target up to seven meters (23 feet) away. ... After Coronation, we got to shoot at a group of ugly-looking rocks in the area named 'Goulburn,'" Wiens said. "That is one of the areas near the rover that was blasted by the thrusters of the landing vehicle, but these rocks were much farther away from the rover than Coronation, providing a bit more of a test for the ChemCam's laser.



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image of curiosity
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/625048main_pia15025-43_full.jpg

What I find more interesting is the Mars Rover at the back on the left.
but  this is detailed here there are two other extra to the MERs which are on Mars - perhaps it is one of these.

3D type of image of the landing area

They have placed a wooden plywood screen in the background and propped it up against the wall with a spade. Can't think why or what it is for ?


Unmannedspaceflight forum for Curiosity Excellent info.

Details about the masthead instruments on Curiosity (notice last paragraph comparison to MER Spirit/Opportunity)

 

url=http://www.uahirise.org/releases/msl-gale-crater-captions.php]HiRise captioned images of MSL landing area Gale Crater[/url]

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With 106 days to go until the landing in August, maybe we better find as much information as we can about the lander and about the area Mount Sharp on Mars where the lander will touch down. Anyone interested, please help by posting useful links to this area and to details about the landers equipment etc.

nasa page
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/index.html

Full sized highly processed image of Mt Sharp
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/634110main_pia15292-full_full.jpg

This image is of little use except for showing the landing area, but it does show a few features such as a dry "river" course running into the Mt Sharp area from the right of this image (around 2:30 -3 o'clock position). The image is so processed that it may as well be a movie background generated by the film studios. Hmm... I wonder?

It may be a good idea to save locally on your PC any of the press released videos and data which is available now and soon after the landing. Should anything unusual occur further into the future, once Curiosity has landed and been on Mars for a while, we will need to have access to these images to resolve queries and issues and to give us more information.

The press release department is eager to present a good image of the lander and the reasons why so much money has been spent on its development. They have and will be releasing many useful images and statistics which may be needed later on by us to show before/after data etc. For example, it would be useful to have a clean rover image and match it against an image of the rover after it has been subjected to the "Martian winds" which miracuously sweep the two older rovers clean from the Martian dust.



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I editied the post before last to add an image I cut from the tif file I linked to above. However, strangely it seems to have disappeared and not got saved. Gremlins...

Anyway, I'll post it again here. It appears to show a flat plate whith a rounded curved top - rather like a gravestone (but obviously much much bigger) and we are looking sideways-on and we can see the 'edge' which is plainly visible. I wondered if there was some writing of characters on the face of it but of course we will never know. Either because NASA will never show us or because there is not image taken from that direction. We would have to go around to the left and look straight-on at it to see anything on the face. It is down in the left bottom quarter of the image in case you want to look for it. It appears to be set on a kind of ramp at an angle with the steeper supporting side to the right end.



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well, you know how it is... at this point in the game it is all totally farcical and just a sink-hole for some budget money. The real space stuff goes on in other areas and this is one of the 'public faces' of NASA. I think they just enjoy pulling the scientists chain and seeing if any of them will realise anything or break out of their boxes and make a discovery of some kind of life somewhere.

No, actually I dont think that Curiosity is going to do anything new, but if you go over to unmannedspaceflight forum, they will love to explain all about it. I'll give them a link 'cos they did actually answer a question of mine sometime ago Unmanned space flight forum There are some scientists there and image whizzos who love to take the official photos and do complicated with them. They also make maps of the current position of Opportunity and where it has been, which is useful.

There is supposed to be a laser on board this rover which can blast stuff and analyse the vapourised remains - whether it be rock, or alien body. I think NASA just got fed up with the Martians keep taking their rovers to pieces and now they are going back to kick some ass with laser on board. Poor old Spirit is probably a dismantled lump of metal now that it cannot keep moving and Phoenix was dismantled just the same - (allegedly)

Just my opinion and pure speculation of course. Nothing factual.

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GMANTOO,

I WAS WONDERING IF  CURIOSITY WAS GOING TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT TOO.What different experiments will the new Mars rover do that the previous rovers and landers didn't do? All that I heard that this rover will do experiments to see if Mars was ever condusive to life in the past, I thought that this was already established from prior missions, or not? NASA now says there is liquid water present on Mars, I thought that if there is water than there is life? Is it possible that a planet can have liquid water, but have no life? Wouldn't this be the exception rather than the rule.? I must have missed reading infomation if this rover will be conducting different kinds of experiments than in the past.

 


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Yes, that is interesting and supports a carbon-based life hypothesis. Chalk is a carbonate and limestone I think too and on earth these hold many fossils of long-gone life.

The evidence is mounting for life on Mars and once Curiosity gets there (we wont) should be better photos and 'science' too.

Those things which look like 'rips' in the rock or in other images look like sand dunes, are intruiging and cannot be sand dunes in the middle of that rock formation.

Perhaps they are open-cast mining of some mineral?

The largest size of this image is pathetic only about 800-900px wide

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA13800The tif image here is the same only reformatted to tif from lower resolution. Nevertheless, there are still many signs of life in it and organised regular structures which Nature does not normally make.



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q- check this out:

Fractures in Carbonate-Bearing Rocks at Mars' Huygens Basin

 

Hirise found some carbonates 3 miles deep exposed by cratering.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/MRO/multimedia/gallery/pia13800.html

http://www.marsdaily.com/reports/Some_Of_Mars_Missing_CO2_May_Be_Buried_999.html

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_012897_1685

 

I found this after looking for more information on fossilization.  Iron carbonate and calcium carbonate are minerals primarily involved with fossilization.

http://www.aaps-journal.org/submission%20pdf/How%20to%20Make%20a%20Fossil.pdf

 

 



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You are correct.  Not only that, but scientists have reported for decades that the major consituent of the atmosphere on Mars is carbon dioxide CO2.

In addition, they have long reported that much of the ice at the poles contains carbon - in the form of frozen carbon dioxide.

More recently, carbon in the form of carbonates was detected by the Spirit rover on the ground in one of the formations it was studying (Comanche).

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=water-mars-carbonate

If this isn't enough, ALH84001 also contains carbonates.

 

 

That said, I'm all for the exploration of Mars - even if it is just to  look for more carbon deposits.



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I dont know how we can have a forum all about aliens without having a topic on Curiosity the new Mars Rover which launched yesterday.

Water Energy and ....Carbon?

This is my title, but I think it is so ridiculous that the writers do not know that methane is made of carbon atoms. Didn't they 'discover' millions of tons of methane in the atmosphere that they thought may have been coming from microbes?

Well, someone please correct me, but I understood that methane was CH4. "One atom of carbon is covalently bonded with four atoms of hydrogen forming a methane molecule"

So now the quote from this article. To sustain life, scientists say, a planet needs three elements: water, energy and carbon. The first two have been established as existing on Mars, but previous missions have not allowed scientists to determine whether there is carbon.

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