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Yes, I am glad that reason has returned after our journey into fantasy! Thank you. It just goes to show that coincidences do happen more often than we imagine too. smile.gif

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Thanks, Xiriux.  We should always remember to try and find better images of any area in question!



These are adjusted images of what Xirius posted, to make it easier on the eyes:


1p131565767eff0538p2538l7c1-sol38-edr-k-cr1adj.jpg


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(I am going to compare these to what we had).



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Hi guys,

don't jump to a shadow...

The key of the "obfuscation" explored you are the resolution and the field of view of the hazcam.
Consider that the resolution of the hazcam is the lowest of the MER cam's, it is 2.1 mrad/pixel that means  2.1mm/pixel in 1 m distance. (the pancam resolution is 0.28mm/pixel in 1 m)
Its field of view is 124 degrees (!) which is very large and it means a serious barrel distortion.
So the hazcam images are not appropriate to analysis. My opinion is that the "obfuscation" is only a small sand-patch nothing else.
Look the full-color pancam image of this site (captured on Sol38):

1p131565767eff0538p2538l7c1-sol38-edr-k.jpg

You can see that its a usual martian surface form. I have cropped the area of "obfuscation" and I have enlightened it:

1p131565767eff0538p2538l7c1-sol38-edr-k-cr1.jpg

It is visible that there is no obfuscation here, but the hazcam resolution and distortion have played with our eyes.



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So really we wait for a whistle blower to walk out with a bunch of photographs, not just one - or we wait for disclosure.
Otherwise everything we find is just speculation, opinion, about our 'enhancements' to NASA's already 'enhanced' images.
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How about the evidence for running water in the same image then?

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q- this is my assessment - generally:

1.  The pds img - nasaview extracted gif has all of the detail.
2.  The pds jpeg browse images have applied a noise reduction filter that removes a lot of noise, and with it, some detail.
3.  The jpl jpeg images have applied a noise filter, and have also auto equalized the image - the noise filter removes a lot of noise and some detail, and the auto equalizer creates extreme whites and blacks - and in those area no detail can be seen at all.

In addition, your program is doing a great job picking up details that I can't get with a conventional program.  Contrast adjustment - and equalization adjustment do stretch those bands - but less predictably or controllably than your program.

I am not completely convinced this is a smudge - though that was my initial impression.  You can see this same darkness between all of the rocks in the general area. 

However, this area is different in that it has that sharply defined triangular area that seems to cover two corners of the rock.  In addition, there appear to be lumps underneath the dark color here, which have dimension.  One would think that any lump - or rock - would not take on the same exact color as the soil.  However, in the bug example, what if a bug was naturally camoflauged to its surroundings? - in that case we would expect the soil and lump to have the same color.

This is a truly remarkable little spot we are exploring.

For me, this all leads to the question - what if NASA found a live bug moving around between the rocks on Mars?  We see over and over again, skeptics claiming that NASA would announce this to the world, and their budget would explode.

However, I find that claim dubious.

NASA's budget may well increase.  However, NASA doesn't drive its own agenda any more than the Energy commission drives its own agenda.  Every federal agency is driven by outside interests.  In the case of the Energy commission, the oil industry dictates that agenda.  In the case of NASA, we can list the major corporations that drive its agenda - the Boeings, etc. that create the hardware and software for NASA projects.

Those corporations have tons of money tied up in hardware that will be going up for the next few decades.  That hardware is designed to take small steps in the discovery process - not giant leaps.  A giant leap in the discovery process could cause NASA to scrap untold billions of dollars in projects and hardware that is being developed in favor of something else for which these companies may or may not get the contract.  It is no conspiracy theory to think that money drives the agendas of federal agencies.  That is just simple fact.

That said, the simple discovery of a living bug - during the "follow the water missions" would be a major disaster for these mega-corporations whose budgets are tied up in getting federal money from NASA.

Yes- some may recover in the long run - if - they get the contracts for further missions.  But it means untold billions lost in projects they have already developed - and which are waiting in the warehouse for a rocket launch.








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This gif focuses on the lower lump, using the nasaview generated gifs from the pds imgs:

It reminds me of a rolly poly.

(q- I thought the pds browse jpegs would be more reliable, but this clearly demonstrates to me that they are not.  Any chance, you can upgrade your search program yet again, to take the pds img file and have nasaview generate a gif from that which we can download from the search screen?)






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I agree with you Marsrocks, if you use the GIF from the PDS, there is no likeness at all.

However, the normal jpg we see at marsrover site is the best - as far as it has some greys left in it.

The pds browse directory .img.jpg version appears to be more damaged than the marsrover one, and the pds .img version appears to have a grey piece of ground from somewhere else covering the whole area. I do not think the pds .img grey area is the real thing at all.

So basically, as I said in the first post, the JPG image from the marsrover site has the most shadowey greys behind the smudging - as far as I can tell.
This is the one I used

Marsrocks, I see you have used the .img GIF image as the grey smudge has a ground-like appearance in your photo above.(Why would it be necessary to smudge the ground if there was nothing there but normal ground?). I used NasaView to extract the GIF from the .img file downloaded from the PDS. PDS data directory Sol 37 - was that what you wanted, or do you want a link to the GIF itself, which is on my machine?

What are the chances of two complex shapes being the same? Pretty low I suspect.

The technical bit (you can stop reading here!)

The process I used was a PHP program I have written which basically increases the distance between grey values in certain areas. This allows me to 'see' something in the shadows which normally appears just black. So for example grey values of 1 2 3 4 5, after being processed might end up with 4 in between each value and the next rather than just 1. (1,5,9,13,17 etc) This makes the definition between pixels easier to see, but gets too bright very quickly and you lose some top white detail in your image. I also shift the base grey value up so that values of 1 onwards now start at 11 I think, I cannot remember what the shift is. This whole process is only useful in the darker areas (where the grey value is very low) obviously. Making a picture brighter probably raises all the grey values all together by the same amount, which is not particularly useful in these cases.

Maybe in Photoshop you can mask the area and just lighten that area, but it still does not increase the distance betwwen pixelvalues. Maybe there is a plugin that does that?



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The round thing is still there, but look how much less detail I'm getting from the pds jpeg:


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q, I do think you're reaching on this one.

However, I think there is something in that smudged spot.

Working on your first image - and working a fade - it looks like two or three bugs in the spots where your arrows are pointing:  Look - rounded dimensional objects appear with what look like little legs coming out:

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By the way, q - do you have a link to the gif you pulled?  Also, what did you do with it - I can't get this detail from the pds jpegs I linked.






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i agree two of them seems to have something like a depression in the center, they could be some kind of vegetal...or eggs..and yes they have the same shape, they have to be the same "thing", whatever it is.
 



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So, from the comments, I guess that you are all being tactful and think I am stretching the
link between the alien images and what is hidden, huh?

I just feel that it is rather a strange coincidence that the outlines are the same shape.
After all, it could be any shape that appeared when I did the processing, but it was
the same one (I reckon), but maybe others cannot see the similarities that I can.

I often look at an image and wonder what the poster sees in the photo that I cannot 'see'. smile.gif

Both the disk-shaped impressions in the rocks have a 'core' or central depression which
suggests to me that it may be a fossilised plant of some kind. Yes, I hadn't noticed those.

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it's one of the most shameless image obfuscation i've ever seen.
the obfuscation seems to cover almost 3 shapes, similar to stones in their form ( as i can see in the elaboration of goggog ).                                                         

also i had the same impression of Marsrocks about the disc shaped fossil, i also remember i have seen taht kind of rock in many other images, i have the impression they can be fossils of trees or maybe something else, probably organic.

but i doubt they did a similar ofuscation just to cover three stone shaped objects, maybe we are o the tracks of some form of alien life, animal or vegetal, or maybe some kind of innatural and artificial objects.

very nice finds.



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Take a look at this:

Opportunity sol 37:

JPL links:

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/a....38P1214L0M1.JPG

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/a....38P1214R0M1.JPG

PDS links:

http://pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov/data/mer....14l0m1.img. jpg

http://pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov/data/mer....14r0m1.img. jpg



Note the disc shaped fossil impressions(?) in the rocks - marked in yellow:

37smudgecut200legif35.gif



(Image is an animation from the pds images - enlarged to 200dpi, and localized automatic level equalization applied).




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This could either be something really amazing... or it could fall flat on its face. You decide.

This image is from sol 37 site 05 and the area I want to show you has been kindly greyed out. I have manipulated it to try and 'bring out what is there" and show you what I am suggesting we should be seeing.

The red arrows point to the edges of the greyed out area and the light blue arrow points to something poking over the edge. This particular image is taken from the gif which is the one embedded in the PDS .img file - so it is the best we will get, the one scientists are supposed to use to write their papers and reports. As you can see there is nothing beneath the greyed out area and no hint of what is behind it. There is even some fake small stones on that piece of added greyness.

The next image is taken from the JPG file which is the one from marsrover.jpl and the one we normally use.
Strangely, you can see there is more behind the greyed out area and I spotted a couple of varying shades of grey. So I thought I would try a few things to see what I could bring out - now you have to be ready for this because I was shocked by what I thought I had found. (I am practicing my dramatic writing skills!)



First, let me describe the arrows. The red ones show the same border of the greyed out area. The yellow arrows show something underneath which looks like a rugby ball or oval perhaps. The light blue shows a hint of something underneath which we may be able to bring out a bit more.

Now, you remember the thread we had on here discussing "demons"? Here you will find the beings head. Skipper's most recent report on marsanomalyresearch.com is also featuring the same area shows a nice close-up enlarged 4x of the beings head which I took and shrank to the correct size and rotated it so that you can see similarities.


So, this is what I found. I hope you can see him. The red arrows point to the ears and the green arrow to the top of the head. Now, you tell me that this is just a coincidence? I dont think so.



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