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That image shows the dust on the lens (cover) very well too.
This is probably more dust than the other rovers have accumulated over 6 years of working, so it is strange that Curiosity has this amount. Maybe they need to call for the maintenance man to pay a visit and wipe off the lens cover?

As others have said, the parts of the rover just look like an image added afterwards and looks like a cheap game simulated 'droid'. To me it looks too clean and spotless with hardly any dust or scratches etc. It looks 'false' somehow.



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Yes qmantoo, it is clear both here and the current "mission" focuses on to teach that the location is definitely on the planet Mars.
If this trend continues, doubts arise. As I've said before: I believe that the photos NASA shows from Mars are being taken by a third party.
Many of considerable height from the surface. Some taken underwater. The truth is probably that: manned trips have already been 
undertaken to Mars. Mars is a living planet. It contains three different races. The gray. "Earthlings". Indigenous people, their faces a little lika a dog face.
Pluse one other race that is very small about 50 cm. but very human in appearance. This material is based on many years of research.
This is no fantasy. We have already taken some important steps in this direction. I've already submitted the work that I initially wanted.
I hope to have time to pursue the areas I am most interested. Earthlings are trapped in the shackles of conventionality and nihilistic ideology,
which has roots back to the political situation that has prevailed on Earth last seven hundred years.
It is time to stand up and shake off the wretched human past.



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This is a good one too - the tracks on the left are orphaned and single tracked. (ie - there is no right hand wheel tracks) There are also some strange 'wheel marks' right in front of the camera which do not appear to belong to any set of wheeltracks. The ones just left of centre look like swastikas, and in the shadow there are even two strraight lines which look a little like old MER rover tracks. It is all getting a bit ridiculous really.

This is from curiosity rover.



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Here is another really interesting use of 'tracks'

Since this is a really old thread, with not much current use, I will post a large image to it. Check out the other 'tracks' in the left foreground running down the hill between the rovers wheel tracks. I wonder what made those?



There is a Tiff file there too but is rather dark. (right click and page info, or properties)



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This are the Picture from Spirit Sol.1833,look at this Site:

http://mars.pelicanbill.com/

 



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qmantoo wrote:

err.... wrong planet !! smile.gif




Hmmm lol thought something was different lol.. But important image for another post in future with regards Skippers Case study..



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err.... wrong planet !! smile.gif

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Opportunity-b-1632-1634-ncam-victoria-egress-anim.gif

This movie shows Opportunity’s climb out of Victoria crater.

The rover entered and exited the crater at the alcove called "Duck Bay" leaving two sets of wheel tracks on the steep hill, which is inclined at about 23 degrees. The rock cliff in the center of the movie behind the tracks is called "Cape Verde" and is about 6 meters tall (20 feet tall). That's about twice the height of a basketball hoop.

Victoria crater spans about 800 meters (half a mile or more than the length of eight football fields) in diameter. Its rock layers hold clues to the environment during the period when the rocks were formed and altered. Scientists were drawn to this spot because of this cross-section of exposed rock layers. The scalloped edge of the crater and other features indicate that the crater was once smaller than it is today, but wind erosion has widened it over time.

The images used to create this animation were taken on the three days Opportunity spent driving out of the crater on Aug. 24, 26 and 28, 2008 (Sols 1630, 1632 and 1634).


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OK, I accept the left/right wheel explanation. Thanks.

There are still some tracks which stop in the distance in this picture posted above which are strange to me as they do not even appear to be turning left or right (in case they were coming from one side and then turned towards the camera's current position)

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Does anyone know what the clearance is from the tracks to the rovers main body? From my observations it must be pretty high, given that the deeply undulating areas between the tracks apprear untouched by the main body.



The ground clearance is approximately 300 mm, but that varies depending on the precise donfiguration of the rocker-bogie suspension. 300 mm may not sound like a lot, but compare it to the scale of the wheel tracks in comparison to the heights of the "dunes."

Picture 43.png
Reference: Original image at http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/n/2210/1N324470303EFFAFHLP1922R0M1.HTML modified by OBrien 8/1/2010

Also, take a look at how deep the undulations really are when viewed from the side. These photos are all taken on Opportunity Sol 2210.

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Reference: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/n/2210/1N324470691EFFAFHUP1965L0M1.HTML

And a closeup showing that the "dunes" are nowhere near 300 mm high. The width of the wheel is 190 mm.

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Reference: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/n/2210/1N324472902EFFAFHUP1991R0M1.HTML

You're not going to see marks from the bottom of the rover on the dune peaks, becasue the drivers would never risk high centering the rovers. They use the two NavCams to make a 3D model of the terrain to avoid just that problem

 

 



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Does anyone know what the clearance is from the tracks to the rovers main body? From my observations it must be pretty high, given that the deeply undulating areas between the tracks apprear untouched by the main body.

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I think the tread difference is indicative of where the rover was attached to the lander...just my guess though smile

Yep. The cutouts on each wheel are the attach points that held the rover to the base of the lander.

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You can even see in this CAD model where the opening is that accepted the latch. In the images we're looking at the angle is bad and the holes are clogged with dirt.



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Here are more views, showing a wider field of view than in the movie.


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http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/f/023/1F130226514ESF0385R2674L0M1.HTML


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http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/f/023/1F130226780ESF03A5R2674L0M1.HTML


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http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/f/023/1F130227019ESF03AVR2674L0M1.HTML


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http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/f/023/1F130227352ESF03BPR2674L0M1.HTML

If you're interested, there are even similar photos from the right HazCam at http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/opportunity_f023.html, so you could make a 3D stereo movie of it if you wanted!

-- Edited by Humanoid on Sunday 1st of August 2010 08:52:10 PM

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Why would there be a gap in the rover treads? The rover would have to be lifted up and replaced a few inches to the right for this to happen.

Since the wheel has not started to revolve yet, there is no earth/soil that would account for the smooth gap in tyre tread markings on the ground. Maybe someone more knowledgable can come up with an explanation which makes more sense to me than the one I have suggested.



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There are six wheels on the rover. Sometimes the tracks can get confusing during turns or when they get close to each other. But there's no reason to believe in this case that that the rover was lifted up and moved several inches, especially if you examine more than just the one photo.

The photo on the left shows the two roughly parallel tracks, one from the right side and one fron the left side of the rover.

 



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This is an animated version of Victoria Crater topology

 

 

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To show the geography of the crater, making it impossible for any terrestrial cart to approach (and taking into account mammoth crammed artificial structures have been obfuscated from around the crater) here is  a pic that shows the rim shields the deep crater's basin from any land intended approach.

 

victoria-crater.jpg

 

 

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True if you trust the image. Impossible if you study  the geography of the crater (well it's not a crater it's a martian complex)

 

Also this is not the only pic of this area, and all of them have fake skies. To the left is the most bizarre object, it's the one that has egyptian sculptures and glyphs that watcher was studying some tIme ago. (I think they call it duck bay)

 

It's also next to this complex I called "the caterpillar" that I found this (in a higher res pic from a similar angle) ->

 

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with that last one, the angle and the rim of the crater are such, that it might be possible for the tracks to continue over the rim without us being able to see them. It looks from this angle as if it may be legitimate - particularly as you can see the furrows of the tracks disappearing off to the right inside the crater...

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Another fake image of the spirit rover inside victoria crater. smile

 

I think I could do a better job with the tracks. Any NASA staff reading this?

 

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In this strange image I found spoirit rover is running from a dinosaur it found in a crater smile

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In the first image, in the distance the tyre tracks do appear to just stop, yet the landscape goes on further into the distance. That in itself is strange and warrants an explanation.

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Why would there be a gap in the rover treads? The rover would have to be lifted up and replaced a few inches to the right for this to happen.

Since the wheel has not started to revolve yet, there is no earth/soil that would account for the smooth gap in tyre tread markings on the ground. Maybe someone more knowledgable can come up with an explanation which makes more sense to me than the one I have suggested.

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Humanoid also notice the log on the lower side of the image representing the rover does not move even a millimeter, even when the tire starts slipping in the sand. Tha measn that log is overlayed in all of the frames, or better yet is the template on which the montage was drawn.

There are also gifs of the rover inside Victoria crater. The rover could have never stepped into Victoria crater as the basin is very deep and there does not exist a smooth way for a cart to make it to the basin unless it has flying capabilities.

 

 

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fake rover.jpg

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As I have said before fakery must be consistent to a certain degree. Even if the gif portrayed reality. what's the purpose of this gif being released to the public other than prove the rovers are really on Mars? ok without further ado, I am posting my analysis of the gif which consist of 7 frames layed out in sequence in the image.

Also notice the log like texture of the rover part, displayed in the lower side of every frame





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ICEMAN wrote:
For those who believe blindly in anything called government agencies, it is very likely credible image.


Well Iceman, I don't blindly believe in government but no matter how hard I look (even in 3D) I see nothing wrong with the rover tracks confuse


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Can someone explain this strange marks on the Rover tracks

Sure, no problem below.gif


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I think the tread difference is indicative of where the rover was attached to the lander...just my guess though smile

 



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Easily, yes. They have this pattern on them as normal. They are not all the same pattern all around the tyre as I suppose it gives them more traction and grip on the surface.

The tracks do not disappear when they should be going down into a dip in the sand dune. However, this all depends on the height the picture was taken from and since the cameras on the stalk are not that high, I would say that there is something strange in these pictures of the rover tracks. We have had other examples before as well.

Who knows why they feel they have to sometimes have to manafacture the tyre tracks. Anything is possible and the extent of the deception will probably never be known.

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Can someone explain this strange marks on the Rover tracks

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Example of fake spirit rover tracks

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If The rovers are really on Mars, why their tracks have to be composited over every photograph attributed to them?



The following pic shows the sand to be solid and the tracks to be manufactured.

 

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Some real wheel tracks in sand as well as good examples of perspective.
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For those who believe blindly in anything called government agencies, it is very likely credible image.

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There is a lot of smudging going on in all the lastest oppy pics. The one they released to the news with the dust devil in it yesterday was just sad. So blurry, shrunk down, and out of focus it got me looking at the raw data again. Sure wish we could see what they are seeing!

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Same thing happens here (Sol 2312 (July 26).

Lesson learnt. Wheel tracks must be very hard to fake in order for the blunder not so show, and supposedly tracks are the product of a vehicle rolling over on sand..

 

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Sol 2210 (March 22, 2010)I had not known what had happened to opportunity but here is a recent photograph of its tracks.

The tracks seem fake right from the start if we believe the waving undulating terrain underneath.

Even if in fact it was sand the purported rover on Mars was rolling on, The tracks don't follow the terrain naturally and further in the distance they still refuse to vanish smoothly perspective wise , not to mention the inadequate texture of the tire prints.

 

Source:  Opportunity Sol 2210 (March 22, 2010)

 

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