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qmantoo wrote,

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I think what you are saying Iceman is that you believe that the surface is manafactured like a game's background or like a Sci-fi movie's background is generated with graphics programs? Is that right?

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Also I think you are saying that some of the photographs taken by the Phoenix and the rovers appear to be taken from somewhere else (ie: an impossible height, angle or perspective) and not taken by cameras on these vehicles at all? Could you point us to some examples of this perhaps?

1.Yes that's was what I mean.

2. Yes I can, but the picture that I think show what the best is perhaps not time to show here because what categorical evidence of active community there to find.



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Admitting that we are not seeing the whole picture, I still have a hard time calling them "machines", and am eagerly awaiting some better evidence of such. Yes, but you may be waiting a long, long time.

SP - What kind of better evidence do you want? Be specific now, no wishy-washy, vague explanations. I want a definite detailed description of the proof you require to believe.

This is so that we can provide it for you. smile.gif




Fare enough....

Of course I do realize I am not going to get a "smoking gun"(no pun intended).

However,

1) An image of just one of these "machines" or "cranes"actually doing some kind of machine work. Actually doing something, moving something, building something,......

I.E.   A before and after....would be nice...I'm sure you could find one since there are so many machines around.

Machines are meant to do work, that is the literall definition of what machines are for, yet none can be shown doing anything other than sitn there.....like a rock(no pun intended).

2) I find it interesting that if I go along with the little people scale, these "structures" would be 10-20 story buildings for them. This would definatley require the use of some kind of machine or crane...And rome was not built in a day, and I'm willing to bet there "cities" or "structures" are not as well...Thus....should be no problem to find a crane building a building or something similar in nature where construction is taking place, or has taken place, as there will be evidence of it.

3) A little person that is not grosly malformd and distorted so bad that 10 different people say it looks like ten different things...would be nice but I won't hold my breath.

4)Why stop on the machine part, how about, there food supply. Or water supply.

I do hope that was not to wishy washyevileye

 



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Admitting that we are not seeing the whole picture, I still have a hard time calling them "machines", and am eagerly awaiting some better evidence of such. Yes, but you may be waiting a long, long time.

SP - What kind of better evidence do you want? Be specific now, no wishy-washy, vague explanations. I want a definite detailed description of the proof you require to believe.

This is so that we can provide it for you. smile.gif


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I think what you are saying Iceman is that you believe that the surface is manafactured like a game's background or like a Sci-fi movie's background is generated with graphics programs? Is that right?

Also I think you are saying that some of the photographs taken by the Phoenix and the rovers appear to be taken from somewhere else (ie: an impossible height, angle or perspective) and not taken by cameras on these vehicles at all? Could you point us to some examples of this perhaps?



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I think we need to start taking into account that the area we consider to be the planet's surface if perhaps an artificial surface. This is always the same surface with a few stones that have been put here and there and then we have slot in one case that we believe is a reality in the picture.

It is the only area that we see clearly the surface of sand. Why do we not see a rock walls with the same focus as we see sand flat.



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I am not sure that the images or large amounts of them are taken by the Rovers, the Phoenix more pictures that I see even more, I doubt the side of the case.

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Admitting that we are not seeing the whole picture, I still have a hard time calling them "machines", and am eagerly awaiting some better evidence of such.

I can go along with maybe an unknown life form perhaps, some shelled like creatures possibly. But for everything on the planet to look like rocks and Think that its something else just doesn't cut it.



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I am not sure they have zoom lenses on the Rovers otherwise NASA would not be able to determine the size either. If they had, they would have it documented somewhere - what the details were etc.

Humanoid -The urls I gave were to the same scene. I said I did not know if there were both left and right copies of the photograph. I only noticed right SSI images.

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If we were to fly private aircraft (four to six seats), over the building here on earth and tilt her sixty degrees were we at 50 meters above the building that would be a building 30 x 30 meters. If the picture is, however, taken with zoom lens that is not possible to estimate the size (no known size for comparison)



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Sorry qmantoo couldn't find a left on sol91 or at any of the links you refer to no

Iceman, true but then the average height of concert goers should not exceed 2mm..biggrin

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what is the approx size of the white structure iceman ?



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The architecture suggests that this is a Concert Hall or similar building.



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I would love to have satellite controlled stone in my garden to do gardening work. It would be a big plus if it was from March. Transport disorder rock that I use daily is the type of Toyota Avensis.



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This is what I call an 'angle rock' where the tube is pointed down. We have found two of these so far

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Interesting...I can't see another one can you give me a pointer ?



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You can see by the shadow on the right hand one that it is not part of another stone, but here are the details
surface stereo imager right sol 91but there are many, many other images of this site. sol 74, (19763-19766)
http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images.php?gID=0&cID=253
http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/tn_25303.jpg
http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/tn_25309.jpg
http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/tn_25310.jpg
http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/tn_25311.jpg

Chandre, your image appears to have two projections?


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qmantoo wrote:
(...) I really do not know what they do, but there do seem to be two of them with sticking-up masts at an angle of perhaps 45 degrees? - maybe cranes or something similar, to move large rocks? (...)


Hi qmantoo, I suspect what you describe as "masts" might be the sunlit sides of other stones, but I'll need to look it up in 3D to be sure. Can you please supply the relevant sol number, so that I can download both SSI image pairs. Cheers

 



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well i see what u call "machines" , they seems tubes like structures at around 45° respect the ground

do u have idea of their size ?



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I also think "weather" is a much more viable reason for the way they look the way they do....


Much more reasonable then......."little people"

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Ha.....

I fail to see how these ROCKS resemble machines..even on a miniature scale.

If cranes....what are they moving...as there is nothing around the vicinity of the "mast".

Also, the scale is completely wrong, you could build a crane 100 times smaller than that to do the same job.


I do not understand why u are convinced that there are "little" ppl on mars.

Blocky blurred images of rocks that could be "anything" does not sell the idea of little people.

I will admit, that they do in fact have strange shapes....but it ends there.

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I found this one.... will keep an eye out for more

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I was wondering if we have seen these kind of machines before? If not perhaps you could all keep an eye out for them and post your finds in this thread.

I really do not know what they do, but there do seem to be two of them with sticking-up masts at an angle of perhaps 45 degrees? - maybe cranes or something similar, to move large rocks?

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Of course, it may be just a severe case of weathering!! haha


-- Edited by Humanoid on Tuesday 29th of June 2010 10:15:06 PM

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