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http://mars.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/all/1/n/4622/1N538512186EFFCV41P1829L0M1.JPG

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I increased size in my browser to see better. I think these are floating, it seems like flotsam on water? That is how I saw this objectively. The shadows below other pale "things" in the surroundings also seem to be dislocated from what is casting them. Water does this and also the shadow is rippled.

 

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http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/proj/msl/redops/ods/surface/sol/01561/opgs/edr/fcam/FLB_536063300EDR_F0593016FHAZ00341M_.JPG

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http://mars.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/all/1/p/4587/1P535402366ESFCU00P2409L2M1.JPG

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Sorry, I should have put this here in the first place.  Sure looks like another flying sphere to me.

As grainy as Opportunity's pictures are it's still going through some pretty neat terrain.  This one 

is from the latest set.



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Любопытство. Sol 1528

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masjosh I like it



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Very "Bird like" in a well camouflaged way... (see original image)

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Note the shadow below anomaly. Color levels adjusted slightly.

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/01520/mcam/1520MR0077410210204702E01_DXXX.jpg

 



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Could be perspective?confuse



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oh yes !

nice find goggog



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Curiosity Sol 1434

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Didn't find this thing but thought it fit here.

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/01089/mcam/1089ML0048420010500151E01_DXXX.jpg

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Floating spoon?confuse



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Levelwind That is lovely, it certainly seems that the shadow is well below



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http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/01311/mcam/1311ML0062480000405832E01_DXXX.jpg

 

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http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/01272/mcam/1272MR0059490500603988E01_DXXX.jpg

 

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I know this thing is not casting a shadow below it, but it still looks like it's flying to me.smile

Something is not right here.



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?confuse?confuse?confuse



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I'll have a closer look and get back to you. A thing I do is look for what is in focus. I've found that a few times the object in focus is in the air but often you don't see the shadow. It's usually closer than the background. Also look for the irregularities of the ground and surrounding objects, they can make it appear to be in the air when it isn't. That's why I liked the little one I posted earlier, that was in 2 different images at slightly different positions

 



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http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00952/mcam/0952ML0041930030403448E01_DXXX.jpg

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Dang, now everything looks like it's floating to me.smile  These are right below the ball looking one.  Same link.

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http://mars.nasa.gov/images/mars-diverse-terrain-mount-sharp-msl-curiosity-rover-labeled-PIA19397.jpg

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Hi Sapa, there are a couple of other shots of this but none as good as this one.  It's from Sol 952>>> 

http://mars.nasa.gov/images/mars-diverse-terrain-mount-sharp-msl-curiosity-rover-labeled-PIA19397.jpg

And there is this one>>> http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00952/mcam/0952ML0041900090403415E01_DXXX.jpg

it's probably the worst view.  This next one is a little better>>>

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00952/mcam/0952MR0041900090502093E01_DXXX.jpg

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Beautiful!!

 

with the light around shadow thing from previous,it's perspective. Depends on the distances between onlooker and things in view. I hope there's another shot of the later post, it's lovely

Sorry for duplicate post, I was lagging



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Beautiful!!



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http://mars.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/deepzoom/PIA19397/

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I'll never understand how you can have sunlight all the way around a shadow

unless it's a hole or the object casting it is off of the ground.confuse



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I will have a good look, time allowing.

One thought that comes back to me quite often is - what if there is water and the objects are in suspension? If the water is still and clear it could give this effect and some of the other peculiar effects on quite a lot of images. Its just a thought.



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Hey Sapa, I thought that was weird too, they are at different times and different perspectives.  The left cam picked it up in two different shots,

just not as good of quality for some reason.  From all the angles you can see all of the shadow with a thin strip of light between the shadow and the rock.  

If it were sticking out of the ground shouldn't we see that shadow as well?  Look at all of the other shadows, the sun is at a pretty good angle.confuse  

I'm going to check the rear haz cam next, maybe there will be a UFO again.smile

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/01160/mcam/1160ML0052470280502086E01_DXXX.jpg

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There may be a problem there because both are the Right Mastcam, so it depends if they were taken very far apart in time. If they were several minutes apart is there a difference in perspective? If not could it be suspended? If not it has to be something it rests on.



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Top center of this one.



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Cropped from the bottom center of the original.

Look at all of the other shadows around it.

 



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i have seen these and some of them are a camera glitch and don't appear on the other camera taking simultaneous photos. However, some are always together with weird objects on the ground and don't look the same as the "glitches". Check the time of the mastcam and the other mastcam's photos and look for other objects that can be associated. Check other photo's taken by the same mastcam during the same day, and the position of the object on the image. My first reaction was exactly the same as yours.



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The speck that is showing in all the images captured by the right mastcam is due to an aberration on the surface of the CCD inside the camera. I think it occurred during the landing of the rover when dust and other debris was being disturbed. The image artefact is not showing on any of the captures by the left-hand camera. In any image analysis of the right-hand mastcam images this small blemish should be disregarded. Hope this helps.



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masjosh wrote:

So i was looking through images of SOL 855 and when i got down to the bottom of the larger thumbnails, I noticed something worth pointing out for observation. I noticed 4 or 5 pictures, taken from different angles all containing what appears to be an object floating in the sky. I highlighted the anomaly by placing an ellipse around it in 3 DIFFERENT images. I encourage members and visitors to visit SOL 855 and draw your own conclusions on this.  I have not altered the images in any way.

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/?s=855&camera=MAST_

 

 

 

 


 Checked to 5 pictures. Everywhere the same result. This is a simple speck of dust on the lens no wink



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masjosh on your last image for me it looks like someone is behind the rock

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So i was looking through images of SOL 855 and when i got down to the bottom of the larger thumbnails, I noticed something worth pointing out for observation. I noticed 4 or 5 pictures, taken from different angles all containing what appears to be an object floating in the sky. I highlighted the anomaly by placing an ellipse around it in 3 DIFFERENT images. I encourage members and visitors to visit SOL 855 and draw your own conclusions on this.  I have not altered the images in any way.

0855MR0037760010501035E01_DXXX.jpg

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http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/?s=855&camera=MAST_

 

 

 

 



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I agree to disagree.

Without knowing what the shutter speed or apereture setting of these cameras are there is the possibility of blurring moving objects. This one is not blurred. Detail within the shadow can occur whatever makes the shadow. Camera angle would change both shadows. I am not discounting your theory or hard work. It is possible.  I just dont belive this instance. There are many here who do not believe my theories and that is thier right. That said, you do excellent work and I look forward to more.



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The object is on two images from both left and right cameras. You have posted two images but they are both of the same RAW image from only one of the cameras.

Please refer to my post previous.

There is detail within the shadow which you have mostly lost by blurring.

The detail within the shadow, campared between the two RAW images, shows that the shadow is cast upon two different places on the ground relative to the camera angle.

One one it is cast upon a part of ground that has it's own elevations and the shadow bends around this, on the other the shape of the shadow is slightly different.

The details (untouched from RAW) on my post show this.

 



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I dont want to rain on anyones parade here but the "floating object" is not the same shape as the shadow.

After overlaying this you can see that there is another object making the larger shadow. The smaller object has its own very short shadow.

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Ok, now for my weird and wonderful idea - two possibilities in this idea.

What if the Martians had evolved into beings with transparent bodies. This would account for the many 'etherial' or 'ghostly' white floaty stuff we see in many images.
What if the ghostly white floaty stuff was smoke (which we have caught on camera before) It would actually look as if it was a ghostly figure (but to debunk this, it would not be in the shape of a figure)

I have posted what I thought was a ghostly figure before and also smoke blowing in the wind. It would also account for whirlwinds moving across the landscape if they were transparent/smokey beings and since I dont see any evidence of wind-bourne dust or erosion, I think this makes perfect sense. (well, I would, wouldn't I?)

Floating craft is a very real possibility too since the Martians have probably been in existence for millions/billions of years and any civilisation would have evolved technology to do this. I am convinced that keep an eye on us from their "UFO' which we have seen in a number of the rover pics and also on the Moon too.

Why dont they just run us off the planet? I cannot understand why they dont, since they are suppoed to be like war-like Klingons. We are going to want to come and colonise Mars at some stage in the future if we have not already.

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The upper object does have the appearance of 'floating' above a lower object when viewed from a distance, but it is a visual illusion.

When zooming in closer and darkening the image slightly it can be seen that the two objects are on the surface.

Incidentally, within the areas I coloured in the image shown above are some very small objects of interest.



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edited from below to include new location address for source fike

image now located at

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/?rawid=0365MR0014820060301452E01_DXXX&s=365

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Here is a white-balanced screenshot of the RAWimage in my original post

The images have been renamed on the JPL website so the new addresses for them are:

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00370/mcam/0370ML0015160020108709E01_DXXX.jpg

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00370/mcam/0370ML0015160030108710E01_DXXX.jpg

It is clear that an object below is in shadow from the object above as it is not completely covered.

Screenshot from 2014-11-27 22:18:41.png

Edited to add image posted below which is also from a screenshot of the RAW images in an early post on this thread.

BELOW is slightly white-balanced close up of same object on two different RAW images for comparison

 

detail_both_RAW_images.png

 

 



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I appreciate your work on ths. I don't agree with you however.

The plane of the shadow below - if it were an object - should be reflecting light from the same angle as the one above.

The shadow/flying object is on 2 seperate images with consistent variation in the angles.

There is a lip beneath the one above on both long sides, I believe that this is the reason you feel it is on the ground, the lower (attached) lip is in shadow and is not the right size or shape for it to be lying on the ground and to be a shadow of the object.

The object which I feel is flying is casting it's shadow onto Another Object which is lying beneath which is why you can see the shape of something within the shadow.



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I have had a look at the object that in the original image appears as if it is levitated.

On enlarging the image it can be seen that the upper object, contained within the red ellipse, is lying on the surface.

The darker area below it is also at surface level a short distance from the viewed upper object.

I have colourized some of the other interesting object detail in the view.

 

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Thanks! I think the object in question in that pic has had some obfuscation performed on it because the shadow does not match the object.

 



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I think it's here http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00385/mcam/0385MR0015760030301887E01_DXXX.jpg

 

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