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Some of the links in this thread have disappeared from the nasa site. Here is an Italian site which has other copies I believe. You may have to translate it using Google or something similar.



Thanks for the reference. At me the panel of tools in a browser translates button click all pagesmile

 



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Some of the links in this thread have disappeared from the nasa site. Here is an Italian site which has other copies I believe. You may have to translate it using Google or something similar.


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Apollo 10 Orbital Images

AS16-118-18957.jpg (изображение «JPEG», 1800x1798 пикселов)

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The first image on the Japanese site appears to be showing the 'funnel' part of the lander vehicle.  See image below.
As for the sequence, I agree with you Humanoid that really looks like a moving object.
Papa, you're right it could be debris from a failed mission and that is why they have tampered with it to remove any markings. How sad about the astronauts, I am glad that we are not seeing images of that .

AS12-47-7016 Original.jpg



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wow that red rod is amazing.
that "probably" is very appropiated lol.

Chandre, for what concern the white debris : i know the alternative explanation i told u could seem a little "exotic"( and is indeed disturbing ), but i can assure u that radio messages in russian coming from te space have been intercepted by italian amateurs radio operators during the years of the cold war.
it was clear from the transaltions and the tone of the talkin that things went wrong in at least a couple of cases.
this is just an explanation between others, as i belive in the existance of aliens, for me there is an equal % that the debris could be of extraterrestrial origin.

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Hi Counter,
If what we see in images AS13-62-8901/8905 is reflection, then why is the anomaly appearing to be moving (as it looks to me) towards the craft? Notice size of earth crescent is same in all frames, but that thing is small(farther away) in 8901 and becomes gradually bigger(nearer) in subsequent images. Notice also the light array trailing it; it is strange too! Plus why would the astronaut take five successive pics of earth that far away in the distance? Calibrate the camera or something outside got his attention? A lot of Apollo photos could be explained away as reflections but IMO not these ones.

Japanese site is interesting, that thing in the first photo you show reminds me of Jose Escamilla's rods but it could be reflection biggrin

Second image is intaresting in that even NASA aren't quite sure what it might be. Read their description here. Did you notice the word PROBABLY? biggrin

Sorry, did I hear you saying Never A Straight Answer? wink

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Humanoid, I downloaded those pictures high res and the shape looks pretty weird. There is a topic in Above Top Secret about this picture: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread483489/pg1 and they pretty convinced me, that it might be only reflection.

But, I also found very interesting website with Apollo anomalies. It is Japanese website, but what it contains are mostly photos with strange anomalies (plenty of them). It is accessible here: http://page.freett.com/dateiwao/apollo13.htm I present two of interesting pictures below:

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Source: http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/sseop/images/ISD/lowres/AS13/AS13-61-8873.JPG

AS13-62-8898.JPG

Source: http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/sseop/images/ISD/lowres/AS13/AS13-62-8898.JPG


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OK these are the rest of the UFO images from the series, five images altogether from AS13-62-8901 through AS13-62-8905. Posted in chronological order:


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For AS13-62-8905 look in previous post 

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Counter, I don't think that's meteoroid. Seriously, it looks like an alien probe to me, not that far from the craft. This is just one of a series of images and I'll try to find and post the rest. Anyway, thanks for Chandrayaan link, their image seems better quality than LRO images of Apollo landing sites.

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I can see that it has face, so it is either Jesus or Elvis smile.gif Just kidding smile.gif I would say it is a chondrite meteoroid. There is many of them visible on many satellite pictures. But maybe I am wrong.

Just to want to add this link: http://beta.thehindu.com/sci-tech/article13950.ece Chandrayaan took pictures of Apollo 15 landing site.

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That was fun Humanoid, we all contributed smile Look forward to the next set and when I finally get my 3D glasses to doing something similar with Xiriuxs images !

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What about it Counter? Its an alien craft biggrin...just kidding, don't know really, what do you think? Here's the hi-res version:


link  AS13-62-8905 




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What about the 3rd picture?

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Well Chandre, with or without behind the scenes agreements, both nations still don't disclose to their own public what they know or knew about each others secrets and that's for a reason biggrin

Xiriux, you may be right (btw we have some ladies here as well wink)
bright disc may have been probably generated by the reflection of the sun on the moon overexposure.

Now that we have debunked these images, can we move to the next set of my favourite Apollo anomalies? wink



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Hi gentlemen,

excuse me but I haven't so "romantic" phantasy.
My opinion is that all the three discs on the photo are the images of the Moon. Their diameters and shapes are  same, just the distortion is very-very similar.
I think the focusing and auto-exposition of the camera worked wrong. Look the stars on the image: they would be invisible if the exposition would be properly set to the Moon (try it with your own camera). If the exposition is set to the dark sky, the stars become visible and the Moon-disc becomes overexposed (bright disc without details).
The visible three Moon-discs are more and more darker: the brightest is the real Moon-disc, the second and the third disc are only internal reflexions on the surface of member-lenses in the object-lenses of camera. Check it: the second and the third disc are not sharp.
I have experienced that the objective of the camera in Apollo missions was sometimes problematic, mainly if some strong light-source was present in  the image (see up-sun photos or any strongly reflecting surfaces).
Perhaps the protecting or filter coating layer on the lenses was too reflective material.


-- Edited by xiriux on Friday 4th of September 2009 11:32:31 AM

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LOL Humanoid, I cannot imagine any agreement being possible between NASA and the Russians. If NASA was so pressurised that they may have faked moon landings I have no doubt that they would have loved to make the Russians look bad biggrin I cannot define the disc image as well as you have, but I agree that the post below does seem to show the Moon. I think the Moon is the bright disc and the other two are refractions. Theres a similar photo in this series with 3 discs so it may have been a flaw in the lens or a result of photographing through the crafts window ?

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As to A10 pic, to be honest, to me, after seeing it in higher resolution it looks exactly like it looks, like debris. It would be quite strange to use object like that to cover something behind it, if you could simply black it out leaving no place for speculations to the public. There is a lot of crap floating around earth, we left there almost million pieces 1cm in diameter or bigger. Our kind world powers performing many tests of ASAT missiles and they produce tons of crap on different altitude orbits.
As to the moon, the easiest way to check it would be to cut bright shape and move it on a bit of darker moon shape to see if they fit. I may play later at home with it.

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I may have gone to far with this ASAT missiles, it was 1969 after all... smile.gif



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 Debris is debris, you don't have to prove who made it and in all honesty it would have served NASA to prove and report on a failed Soviet mission.




....or perhaps there was (still is?) a secret agreement between the US and Russia to keep their covert space programs (if any?) under wraps and not publicly discuss/show each others possible failures in this regard...who knows anything is possible confuse

below.gif a blow-up of the "discs"



To me it looks like the moon. If you look carefully you can make out the distinct darker/brighter areas on its surface, as for the colour, it might be distorted because of the bright disc in front. Also it could be seen better in this blow-up now, the "shadow" disc appears to be photographic reflection of the bright disc and I think I can see it overlap the moon disc...twocents.gif hmm.gif



 



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OK, I think this just escalated from an anomaly to something very strange. The alternative explanation is deeply disturbing. Papa may be right and this may be part of an exploded ship, but I just don't get the feeling that we are looking at an terran-made object. Can you see the symbol ? If it was Russian debris why would they tamper with the image ? Debris is debris, you don't have to prove who made it and in all honesty it would have served NASA to prove and report on a failed Soviet mission.

AS for the disc, the second disc does NOT look like the moon ? If you enlarge it you cannot see any lunar features and the contrast and colour are wrong. It looks like it may be a very bright disc that created refractions when photographed that appear to be other discs but are illusions (I am sure you have all had that when photographing bright objects at night or even looking through a window at a bright light outside at night ?) Or it may possibly be a craft with two similar pods ?



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To be honest Papa, I don't know what to think anymore...I'm now totally lost on this one mate  clueless.gif frustrated.gif  blankstare.gif 

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about the white fragment floating in the space...
time ago i've seen a documentary where was told about a theory upon possible secret attempts to reach the moon did by Russia during the "cold war".
secret attempts that in at least a couple of cases had deadly consequences for the pilots, as resulted from some interceptions of radio messages ( heard in the documentary ).
i think it could be possible that the white fragment is part of a secret experiment failed, an experimental shuttle exploded probably...what u think about ?

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Thanks a lot for the link Chandre smile
What surprises me is that I have found another official explanation, or better said response to an enquiry made by Lunar Explorer Italia, totally in contradiction with the one you show?? Here it goes:

"A deep gratitude goes to the Lunar and Planetary Institute (LPI) which, after a long time the first request was made by Lunar Explorer Italy (by Dr. Paul C. Fienga), has traced in the Archives of NASA-Apollo this very rare and controversial frame from Apollo 10 and the EC has made available in its original form and not compressed.
Comments are these:  "...we do not know what this object may represent, nor we have sources to contact in this regard. There really isn't anyone you can talk to about what an image shows. The people who analyzed the images originally have long since moved on to other jobs, retired, or died. All we have are the documents they left behind - some of which are online (...) However, as you correctly assumed, the artifact is not part of the US Spacecraft, but it was something caught in Lunar Orbit at the time the picture was taken. Its origin is, and most likely shall remain, unknown (...)." That's the link to this comment. Just got interesting wtf.gifconfused.gif 

Below is the hi-res version of AS13-61-8865. Notice the alignment between the bright disc, the moon and what looks like a shadow behind the moon. Strange huh?


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Hi Humanoid

The explanation came from here http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a410/images10.html

When you play with the contrast on the 'debris' you can almost see a 3D shape that continues on the left but appears to have been blacked out. Now, this is the bit I do not understand. Why tamper with something that you can prove is debris ?
If you examine the bottem left of the blacked out area you can just make out a symbol that resembles a circle maze but is not. Can you see it, maybe that is why this was tampered with ?

as10-28-3990-crop.jpg

Also, if you play around with the image you will discover two areas that are clearly a lighter colour compared to the rest of the material, they have 'pod' shapes and are in the area on either side of the top of the anomaly. If you examine the top left corner of the 'debris' you can almost make out something that looks like a cog or gears or mechanism of some sort. You need to play around with mid-tone, contrast and brightness to see this as they are all different levels of reflectivity.

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I found this image of earth from Apollo 7. The view in upper and lower right is again obstructed whereas in upper left it looks like the natural curve of the planet.


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Close-up of Apollo 10 image now more in focus. I agree it does resemble debris of some sort.



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Very very nice find Humanoid,

Your second image says it all to me, even though the image is poor you can clearly see a gold coloured craft standing off some distance away (it even reflects sunlight on its left side), IMO it is not ****pit lights reflecting "It is a blatant error on behalf of the censorship who have let these images slip through to us, the much fainter white light in the image may well be an instrument reflections

As for the 1st image, I have no what is going on here , the description:.... "LUNAR DISC WITH BRIGHT DISC PARTIALLY COVERING MOON", is mind boggling as an explanation to what the image is, "WITH BRIGHT DISC PARTIALLY COVERING MOON"? the only disc close enough to the moon is the earth and no mention of the planet is given.

In regards of the 3rd image, my thoughts are similar as Chandre, why tamper with an image if it is as they say insulation?


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Hi Chandre, I would ask the same questions. I'm not sure if this is a definite tampering or jpg compression artifacts (have to find this image at PDS and view it in .img), but there are couple curious things about it.





The second image above is an enhanced version of the original. As you have noticed the moon surface ends abrubtly on the right. Looking at the original, one would think that this is because it was taken through a round window/porthole and we see part of the area inside the craft adjacent to that window. If this was the case it should reveal itself upon contrast enhancement. Evidently this isn't the case here and no other obstacles are to be seen either. So maybe there is tampering present after all. Also notice that black line across the top edge of the frame. This looks strange and I don't think it should be there?

I will appreciate if you give the source of the official explanation you have posted. Thanks



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Hello Chandre, thanx fo explanation. One thing is strange for me. Dou you remember Skippers moon report, where hebis showing shadow of an object cased on a hill. This anomaly is present on image from NASA history website, but tampered/removed from LPI image. Why did they (LPI) left such anomalous objects on pictures fron Apollo 10 mission,while they bothered to remove Shadow on Apollo 17 photo?

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Hi Humanoid

There is an official explanation on an earlier image as below ;

AS10-28-3988 (0.8 Mb )

Command Module Mylar outside the front window. In preparation for a photographic pass over the planned Apollo 11 landing site, the crew re-oriented the Command Module while over the backside of the Moon. After regaining contact with Earth, John Young mentioned at 118:41:31 "This morning when we were turning around, first time, we had (means 'could see') about - I estimate maybe a foot-and-Êa-half or more of Mylar with that insulation coating on the back of it. It would appear out inÊfront of our window, and I guess it was from the top hatch which is where that insulation cameÊfrom in the first place. It Just sort of sat there for a while, and then quietly floated off. But my questionÊis, will this cause us any thermal problems?" The strangely-shaped 'blob' in this image is almost certainly that piece of Mylar, possibly out-of-focus. Scan courtesy NASA Johnson.

In my opinion, there are some questions regarding the 'official' version. If you examine both images closely there appears to be tampering around the image. Has it been inserted into the image to cover something else or have they covered over part of the object to fit the official explanation ? How would a sizeable piece of the insulation come off ? Was there some sort of incident/accident on this mission ?

Also on the above image, the right side of the picture ends abrubtly, I'm not exactly sure how that is possibe as there is no part of the module blocking that area. Any ideas ?

 



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Wow Humanoid!
Yes those are definate anomalies!!! Good catch!!!

 I especially like the one at the bottom of your post.. very strange!

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Humanoid, I don't know where did you dig it from, but that are amazing, clearly anomalous images. Thanks mate, keep digging smile.gif

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Does anybody else find the descriptions of these Apollo images odd... to say the least....

First off, the one from Apollo 13- "LUNAR DISC WITH BRIGHT DISC PARTIALLY COVERING MOON" (???)


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second is this image taken from Apollo 13 again- "VERY DISTANT EARTH CRESCENT; WITH MULTICOLORED CIRCULAR SHAPE" (???)


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lastly is the image from Apollo 10. They didn't even try to describe it...I wonder why biggrin


link- first 3 images, the one above is AS10-28-3990

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